AQs on UTG, jam pre or play multiway?
1/2. 8 handed. Hero had 270 and saw AQcc from UTG.
Hero opened to 8.
The guy on my direct left 3-bet to 25.
Two MP cold called the 3-bet despite that they don't seem that loose PF.
Folded to hero, hero had just over 260 left. Apart from one MP who cold called, everyone else had me covered.
To call the 3-bet, we are going to play 4-way at the worst position, with 3 SPR.
To raise, we seemed to have no other reasonable size apart from jamming.
Image wise, we sat down for 15 minutes with low VPIP and our image can't be bad. The guy on my direct left is a bit wild - We saw him 3-bet at SB with 72o when there had been multiple interests, but this time raising my UTG open did seem strong.
Thoughts?
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At 1/2 i fold AQ to a 3 bet almost every time. I honestly feel like id rather take 2 random cards from the muck than have AQ, because it plays so terribly vs the typical JJ+ AK. From UTG, facing a UTG+1 3 bet, AND with 2 callers behind (and cold calling a 3 bet is usually 88-QQ or AK), yeah no thanks.
Also just to be clear, you get up to 2/5 and youre almost never folding AQ to a 3 bet unless you have a solid read. This is an extremely exploitative fold against a typically extremely passive player pool.
At 1/2 i fold AQ to a 3 bet almost every time. I honestly feel like id rather take 2 random cards from the muck than have AQ, because it plays so terribly vs the typical JJ+ AK. From UTG, facing a UTG+1 3 bet, AND with 2 callers behind (and cold calling a 3 bet is usually 88-QQ or AK), yeah no thanks.
Also just to be clear, you get up to 2/5 and youre almost never folding AQ to a 3 bet unless you have a solid read. This is an extremely exploitative fold against a typically extremely passive play
A bit of clarification:
I am in Europe. In 1/2 here, general players's cold calling 3-bet range certainly include KQo, KJo, ATo, 55-TT and even hands like 67s. AQs is not a great hand but I feel folding is too nitty here.
Ah, europe has way more 3 betting, so im far less familiar with the meta, but considering the rake im guessing this is a 4 bet or fold situation, depending on what you perceive to be their range. I see exactly zero situations where im cold calling here and letting the flop get raked $10.
It’s a fold in theory. We shouldn’t have a flatting range OOP here and, as Tomark alluded to, AQs doesn’t perform as well for bluff jamming as hands like GTO’s bestie: A5s.
Sounds like you could do some explo shoving in this game and against this 3!er in particular. And since they probably call too light you’d want to expand that range linearly, so AQs is the first hand you’d sprinkle in.
Seeing as how this is a spot where QQ and AKo finds some folds even 5-handed, all I can say is godspeed on your ventures further down the range 8-handed!
If memory serves, you're female?
My observation is that many male players will play overly aggro against female players, while ironically assuming that when female players take an aggro line, they always have it, because the fairer sex doesn't bluff as much.
Don't ask me to explain it. I'm just reporting what I've seen.
I don't love jamming AQs, but I don't exactly hate it here, either, given the dead money in the pot, and your read that this guy is wild, and your table image should be solid. You block AA, AK, and QQ, and aren't be in terrible shape against all the 99-JJ in V's range.
I would like this a lot more if it was co vs btn but against a guy who has 3b 72o im just piling AQ and seeing what happens.
Spoiler
I jammed. There are no other adequate 4-bet size with my stack size. The opponent on my direct left snap called. All others folded.
He had QQ. I lost.
To be honest, if I were him, it's a sure fold for his QQ given my line. But anyways.
It was actually my first time jamming with anything worse than AK, AA & KK PF at this stack depth. Just money down the drain.
Later on we picked up KK, and the same opponent called my PF 4-bet with half an SPR left. Flop was QJx, he check called my jam and I won. He didn't show but with some other details observed, he either had AK (then his call PF and OTF were both bad) and or AJ (both worse).
My lesson learned：there should be a positive correlation between someone who overplays/ overly aggressive AND calls too wide, therefore, less fold equity.
If I'm going to 4bet a suited ace I'd rather do it as a squeeze.
Where I play this is never a jam. If i do jame its only as a bluff.
I'll probably call because of the pot odds, but reality is I know I'm currently way behind.
Even if raiser is crazy, two cold calls means I'm likely up against something strong. Beware of the RIO odds on this one.
Where I play this is never a jam. If i do jame its only as a bluff.
I'll probably call because of the pot odds, but reality is I know I'm currently way behind.
Even if raiser is crazy, two cold calls means I'm likely up against something strong. Beware of the RIO odds on this one.
There's no RIO playing for the nuts. We want a sea of callers with a suited ace and we unblock the payoff king high flush so IMO calling is fine, just sucks having to play a draw from upfront vs 3 players.
I think a lot of the more aggro low stakes players are calling here with JJ, so QQ is certainly a very reasonable call. If he's calling with JJ, perhaps even TT, but folding worse PP's and AQ, AQs is a reasonable shove, given the dead money in the pot, and his aggro style.
If he calls with TT+ / AQs, and we lose, that's just part of the game. Sometimes we'll suck out and win. Often enough, he'll fold to our jam (sometimes folding a better hand), and think twice about 3B'ing us light when we open from EP.
I don't know how lose they 3! in Europe at low stakes. However, in the US, the 3! ranges are so strong, you should almost never jam with this weak a hand,
In my local casino, at 100-150 stack depth, most people would only jam pre with AK, AA & KK. Only some smaller percentage of the players (the worse part) would call an all-in with QQ. If I knew my opponent had QQ, I would have had more confidence to shove coz most of the time pp with QQ should fold.
It depends on the players.
As mentioned this player 3-bet squeeze with 72o.
I have seen a for-profit player 4-bet with 67s.
And I was once 5-bet by K6s pre and that was insane.
a guy who 3 bets 72o which the table has seen should never ever fold QQ pre - it's a million miles from a sure fold.
I would flat call AQs with some of your money already in there. If the 3-bettor and everyone else's ranges aren't that strong, AQs may be OK and you have at least a suited ace.
Would jam with AK. AK plays much better against AK, AQ, and QQ. With AK, you are only in trouble against 2 hands, and you block those.
I am not sure where the poster gets the idea that people have strong hands cold calling 3-bets. Some players do, but fish at low stakes will call with whatever. If you know if will be like 4-way and the SPR is not real low, you can call with any pp.
