backdoor everything vs whale
1/3 NLHE 8 handed
V - Huge whale. Kind of guy who calls 3-bets with 34s and spanks everyone when flop comes 9-3-3. Never know what he has. Will put in stacks with draws and is usually calling passively but his betting range is also weakish - like A8s he'll cold open 30 from HJ type thing. Almost never 3-bets pre. Covers. CO.
---- H is effective with 350$ ----
5 limps to H in BB who sees T♠ T♦ and makes it 30, V calls, fish on button calls.
Flop 90 - Q♠ 9♣ 7♠
H x, V bets 50, fish folds, Hero?
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Against a spewy calling station, I like cr/AI with a good but vulnerable hand like 2nd pair with bd draws.
If he's doing this with any piece/draw, just shove and pray.
That said, what has he bet with after the flop? Is that weakish, too?
Haven't even read the OP yet. Just wanted to be first to say the thread title alone has to be in the running for some sort of award.
Alright, back after reading the OP...are we talking about CRAI for $270 into $140?
I mean...why can't we just flat the $50 and see what happens on the turn? Are we trying to bluff him off of something? What is that, and why, when we have so much equity here, and a jam can probably only get called by better? Is he folding Qx to a jam? Is he calling with 9x or worse?
Like, if the turn is a spade, an 8, a J, or another T, we can go with our hand if he wants to get it in, but maybe we don't want to put this guy into a spot where he's folding everything we beat and calling with everything that beats us.
We can always donk-jam or check-jam turn if we want. TT is going to be good on later streets often enough against this V, I'd think. And even if a jam denies equity from his KJ or AJ type of stuff, is he even folding those hands to a flop jam? How much equity is a jam denying?
Sorry I messed up my stack, I only had 250$.. 220$ to the flop so an SPR of just over 2. V bet 50 into 90 and change.
Even easier shove unless he's never bet post-flop. If the flop bet is not his norm, I might just fold and hate it.
I might even go larger preflop. And I'll admit I've also flatted here as well. ETA: At $250 I'd probably never flat, but at $350 there's more argument for it.
What's he going to do on the turn/river? If he's just always going to bet again then I'd bail on the flop. But if he's going to slow down with his weaker stuff then I'd be ok with a call (especially if he's betting any pear on the flop, even with other guy behind him) to evaluate turn.
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with blockers to the straight and FD cutting down his bluff hands id just muck the flop. after you raised so much pre he has more Qx and sets in his range than random 9x.
this is going to sound odd but i might just make a small raise pre with the intention of bloating it if i hit my set and then c/f if i dont. id rather do that then be in this spot OOP when overcards are always coming on the flop. sometimes you get limp 3b but thems the breaks.
with blockers to the straight and FD cutting down his bluff hands id just muck the flop. after you raised so much pre he has more Qx and sets in his range than random 9x.
this is going to sound odd but i might just make a small raise pre with the intention of bloating it if i hit my set and then c/f if i dont. id rather do that then be in this spot OOP when overcards are always coming on the flop. sometimes you get limp 3b but thems the breaks.
Good advice thanks
with blockers to the straight and FD cutting down his bluff hands id just muck the flop. after you raised so much pre he has more Qx and sets in his range than random 9x.
Why does the high vpip whale have more Qx than 9x? Smash it in now to get value from smaller pairs and deny equity to lots of draws that have to fold or make a bad call. If he has you beat he deserves your stack.
Result:
Spoiler
I ripped and he called with QJo, we ran it twice and I lost both
