Request to Recuse ganstaman from Trans-Identity Discussion
I’m writing to request that ganstaman be recused from moderating the ongoing discussion on trans-identity. While I fully support the right of every individual to be respected and treated with dignity, I believe that the role of a moderator should be to facilitate open and honest discussion rather than enforce a particular viewpoint (especially one lacking in evidence).
In this case, the moderator has made it clear that any dissent from the idea that trans identities are unquestionably valid will be met with infractions or bans:
I'm not asking you to accept that trans people are really trans, but I will infract and ban for you saying otherwise. It's not just false, it's also hurtful and turns these threads into flaming garbage instead of discussions about real issues impacting real people.
This approach not only stifles meaningful debate but also precludes the possibility of discussing the underlying issues in a way that respects differing perspectives. Forcing participants to agree with a particular stance under threat of punitive action is essentially begging the question and shutting down any chance for genuine dialogue.
Furthermore, conflating critical discussion with hateful speech does a disservice to both the conversation and the individuals involved. There is a significant difference between engaging in a reasoned discussion about complex issues and engaging in actual hate speech. By equating the two, ganstaman is not only censoring valid points of view but also undermining the purpose of the forum as a space for robust and nuanced discourse. What's the point of having this thread in the first place if the moderator has already decided on the answer? I am not the only person to notice and have an issue with this, either.
This kind of authoritarian moderation approach can be perceived as fascist, as it seeks to suppress free speech and enforce a singular perspective without allowing for the open exchange of ideas. It’s critical that we maintain the integrity of our discussions by ensuring that all voices are heard and that moderators facilitate rather than dictate the direction of the conversation. I'd prefer the moderator respond to actual incidents of flaming/trolling than delete my posts under the guise of preventing such a thing from being catalyzed.
I urge the admins to consider these points and take appropriate action to recuse ganstaman from moderating this particular discussion. A more balanced approach is essential for fostering a healthy and productive debate on this important topic. At the very least, I'd love to know whether 2+2 is officially captured by the gender cult so I can kick rocks and fully disavow the board.
Cheers,
Phresh / -Skeme-
Imagine hating on sex ambiguous (for a lack of a better term) people so much that you have numerous posts about the moderation on a forum cause "u mad bro".
I, personally, would love to have discussions about professional trans/intersex athletes in an honest conversation, but it's a dog whistle for a
There is no chance to have any conversation when speaking factually on objective reality is "a dog whistle for abhorrent right-winged behavior." I'm also not sure why you think "right-wing" is some horribly racist, bigoted group. I correctly referred to an objective fact with overwhelming evidence. People who consider that "hating" should bubble-wrap themselves and stay inside.
You were probably banned for 'misgendering', which goes against some American neo-religion, and also perhaps for not having a satisfactory cited source for your claim, since Khelif's actual status is (possibly as a result of considerable obfuscatory PR work by Khelif's team) still unclear.
Khalif's "actual status" can never be known in a sufficient way for them. Multiple chromosomal tests by a governing body with XY chromosomes is clearly hogwash, they're a shady Russian group! Plus we don't even know what specific test was used, even though that's irrelevant. Besides, plenty of females have XY chromosomes! The real proof is a birth certificate that says "Female" that was coincidentally registered the same year Khalif began boxing. Not to mention, Khalif was "raised as a girl", which these people desperately need to validate as the same as being a girl. See, even wears makeup and stuff!
Aren't there trans hating forums where you can go and be with your people and just leave the rest of us alone? Please, don't answer. I don't care, just a suggestion.
I appreciate being able to say objectively true things in our society. While this message board isn't public square, it's indicative of the larger problem. I'm sorry that you can't understand that turning benign statements of fact into snarling hatred is bad for everybody.
Anyway, yeah, I didn't realize the site was sold and has become the dump it is now.
There is no chance to have any conversation when speaking factually on objective reality is "a dog whistle for abhorrent right-winged behavior." I'm also not sure why you think "right-wing" is some horribly racist, bigoted group. I correctly referred to an objective fact with overwhelming evidence.
Multiple chromosomal tests by a governing body with XY chromosomes is clearly hogwash
There is no "multiple tests by a governing body". There is potentially one from a corrupt Russian body that only maybe tested her after she beat their undefeated darling. There is no proof that ever actually occurred beyond a statement to Russian media from one official. That you present this is an "objective reality" only further proves that you are not only insanely biased, but generally just insane. Like, you don't get to just make up your own objective reality. Thats called delusions.
There is no "multiple tests by a governing body". There is potentially one from a corrupt Russian body that only maybe tested her after she beat their undefeated darling. There is no proof that ever actually occurred beyond a statement to Russian media from one official. That you present this is
this is not an honest recap, she was allowed to appeal/retake the test with no penalties/cost and refused
the IOC originally stated it was not an xy issue but then immediately retracted that statement and said they misspoke and it was not a trans issue
they later said she was born a woman and lived her life as a woman and thus they were accepting her as a woman - they never once said she didn't have xy chromosomes
also the eye test
There is no "multiple tests by a governing body". There is potentially one from a corrupt Russian body that only maybe tested her after she beat their undefeated darling. There is no proof that ever actually occurred beyond a statement to Russian media from one official. That you present this is
It's pointless arguing with you people because you bend everything into your proof. "There was MAYBE one and if there was, it's worthless because they're Russian, and it was only because Khalif was about to win for girl power! And even if this all happened, there's still no proof good enough for me!" You legitimately just unironically typed out my initial mocking of it.
Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul 2022.
Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in New Delhi 2023.
Those are 2 tests in different locations, both affirming XY chromosomes per failure requirements in their rules and regulations. Multiple tests by the governing body.
Lin Yu-ting did not appeal the IBA’s decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), thus rendering the decision legally binding.
Imane Khelif initially appealed the decision to CAS but withdrew the appeal during the process, also making the IBA decision legally binding.
Interesting that both boxers were flagged multiple times, but didn't bother doing a cheek swab to prove the objective reality thing. Who cares? People can identify with whatever they want. Totally normal that the IOC claims there's simply no way to tell.
I like how correctly calling your stances homophobic and misogynistic gets me a week ban for "personal insults." But you're free to have emotional outbursts like this on the house.
I think I'm starting to understand why you fellas are so obsessed with trans people! I found this old newspaper in the bottom of some furniture I'm getting rid of. It's the gangs! You're worried about the gangs!
That doesn't have anything at all to do with the integrity of women's sports, does it now, brave boy?
yep. it must be the gangs. didn't even think about that.
Why does every version of this "I want to complain about the mods in politics thread X" turn into a clone of thread X here in ATF? Keep that ish where it belongs!
Garick,
That's the point. We'd all like to, but I can't mention it in the thread I'm referencing or I get banned for a week every time. My latest ban was suggesting it's homophobic to expect lesbians to treat trans-identified males with penises as women and misogynistic to force women in rape centers to receive "care" from trans-identified males. I was "name-calling" with personal insults, not correctly labelling someone with terms that describe their behavior.
Sorry mods, I didn't realize it was so frustrating that I politely requested admin intervention on the mod banning people for understanding that men and women aren't interchangeable, meaningless terms. As I said, I didn't know the site was sold or that the mods here endorse this ideology across the board. That's why I was asking for some sort of ruling. Foolishly, I was hoping for something in the realm of, "Wow, that's insane and surely a problem worth addressing, even on a dying poker forum!" Silly me.
You misspell "man" all the time and ban those who correct you. It's an interesting way to be, I guess. Wielding the little power you have on poker message board in order to crush women's rights, sink the progress of the gay rights movement, upend reality with language colonization, and defend child mutilation and sterilization.
I have no idea who you are, and I know this won't make a dent, but you're a very sad person with extremely low character. I genuinely feel like a bad person for not realizing how many unwell people like you were out there, promoting this cult of child sacrifice. Luckily, you don't seem the type to leave the house often and are relegated to silencing reality online.
I'm sorry for whatever happened to make you think your behavior is admirable or heroic. It isn't. My hope is that one day, when this hateful ideology is defeated, you self-reflect on the harm you actively caused by your sad little power play on 2+2. We're all cogs in the machine of something, but your active role in banning wrongthink is truly pathetic and shameful. I'll ping you in the future on how the first crop of "trans" kids with "bottom surgery" are doing.
Later.
Let me help you.
Your insistence on posting anti-trans bigotry is not going to be our problem. You can learn the rules or you can gtfo.
Gangstaman has been INFINITELY patient with you guys. You don’t deserve him.
I’ve banned Phresh for a week for posting more bigotry in the trans thread, intentionally
There are few things as dangerous as someone who thinks they're doing the right thing. You are far too emotionally fragile to be in any position of power, including a mod position. Why don't YOU go practice your religion elsewhere? You defending men beating on women because they "identify" as women is disgusting. Women are bigots for not wanting males in their dressing rooms or sports. What a hideous position to have with no shame. If gender and sex are different things, why am I banned for calling Khalif a man? A male is an adult human male. His gender can be whatever the **** you want, but his sex is still male, so why ban me for talking about that? Sad.
Isn't this progressive?
Seek counseling.
Phresh has been permanently banned.
Happy Labor Day ♥
Bye Felicia
free Phresh
yeah while it was clear that he wasn't posting via the rules put forward
it seems a bit over the top to ban someone with a nearly 20 year old account because he doesn't think you should call a transfemale a female
he wasn't banned for what he thought
I need to clarify that Phresh has been banned for his body of work in the Politics forum, and his continued refusal to accept the policies and guidelines for that forum. I do not moderate ATF. I apologize for any confusion. It wasn’t my intention. ♥
Good riddance
I don't get why people get into an argument with people like Phresh. Seems like the perfect guy to test the ignore function on.
Idiots
