3-bet from BB with AKo against SB preflop raiser
I'm an amateur player trying to get the hang of it. So, I'd like to hear from you guys—I think you might be more experienced than me—if I played this hand poorly and just was lucky. I'm playing small stakes, of course.
Action folds to SB who raised to 6BB. I had already noticed that he's a loose aggressive player. So, I 3-bet to 18 BB holding AKo from BB, and he called.
The flop comes: JJT rainbow.
He checked to me, so I decided to bet 50% of the pot trying to drive him out of the way (I'm not sure whether I should've bet a little higher than this, or if I should've just check after him and bet on the turn). But he hit me back putting all in. Knowing that his almost entire range was dominated, I decided to call. He had K9o and I stacked him.
I'd like to know what I did wrong, some mistakes that I probably made and what I should've done instead. I'm here to learn with you! Thanks.
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Is this live? Is this cash? How deep were we?
It was online cash game and we were both around 100BB.
When asking about strategy, don't post results. Results are irrelevant.
Thanks for saying.
A couple other things:
1. There is a subforum on 2+2 called online NL hold em cash. That is probably a better place to post questions about hands such as this one. It’s not a big deal that you posted to beginners questions, but you probably would get more and better responses in the online NLHE cash forum
2. There are two decision points in this hand worth discussing: whether or not to cbet after villain checks the flop and whether or not to call the c/r shove after you cbet. To facilitate discussion and avoid influencing responses, it might be better to tackle these one at a time. That is post the hand history and terminate it at the first decision point. Give all info you had up to that time (stacks, any read on villain, positions, preflop action, cards that flopped), then something like “SB checks, Hero?” for the decision on whether to cbet. Knowing that villain check raised could influence responses. You didn’t know he would c/r at the time, so it’s best if those replying don’t know this either. After discussion of this DP seems complete, then continue the hand in another post. “Hero bets 18BB, Sb raises to 82BB and is all in, Hero?” Then we can discuss the second decision better.
FWIW, I would probably not have cbet a LAG opponent. They will be calling your 3 bet pre with a lot of combos that hit this board. I’d check back and see a turn. It worked out for you, but I am also folding to he jam. You need to win about 32% of the time to make this break even. I just don’t see SB in general having enough bluff combos and we don’t have enough equity against his value combos to get there IMO.
I do compliment you, though. One of the tendencies even experienced players sometimes have is to question losses but assume that we played it just fine when we win pots. Questioning wins where appropriate is a good practice to continue going forward.
Thanks for answering. I really appreciate everything you shared. I'll try posting in this other subforum and split up my questions to avoid influencing responses.
Also, I was thinking that since he's a LAG player, he might've called with many weaker hands, but the point is, there are a lot of T's and J's in his raising range, right? Compared to his good bluffing candidates, it's not worth it to c-bet because we could end up in a miserable situation if he check-raises. Just like what happened hahahhah. Did I get it?
heres my answer without results swaying me: id check flop 100% hoping to draw for cheap(see: pot odds vs probable opponent value hands) on the turn, or hit turn. donk sbs are all over this flop. his large 6bb raise then call the pre 3b out of position screams loose donk, QJs, KJs,KTs, QTs, JTs, J9s, T9s, AJo and ATo are easy calls for a loose donk there.
then id check back the turn if checked to, read river betsize for believable value hands and potential bluffs.
then if checked to on riv id check back expecting to win somewhat often (win freq to be determined by read confirmations).
with confirmed reads if i had to do it over again, knowing he plays k9o like this:
pre is good,
check if checked to all the way to showdown unimproved.
bet if checked to and u improve to straight or with A or K on turn or river.
the pending 4 to a straight boards are tricky, needs whole chapter. with ak youll basically check without a straight and bet a little with a straight if checked to. calling down vs big bets with just a straight probably debatable.
the way you played it i think you got lucky he had a draw. i think a proper value hand vs bluff analysis would show this to be true.
3betting w/ AK is standard, you should do this all the time irregardless if villain is aggressive
> Knowing that his almost entire range was dominated
This isn't true, when he check raises all in on this flop, in a 3 bet pot, his range is very strong , you should fold
his range changes as actions change. you are right that this flop misses most of his 3 bet calling range , but when he check raises you have to ask what he does this with
