** Official Beginners NL Holdem Stats Thread **
welcome to the beginners stats thread.
Im starting this thread for 2 main reasons, the second being more important than the first.
1. So that people dont have to start a new thread to ask people to comment on their stats
2. So that we will (hopefully) have a high quality thread which will allow readers to see stats and comments of others which makes it easier to see trends etc in the comments so the reader can relate them to their own stats. If this thread goes as i hope then it will actually reduce the number of stat posts as people who want to post stats will read this thread and not need to post their stats anymore.
The plan is that this thread will be able to be used as a decent reference for stats. Accordingly, the Beginner forum Moderators reserve the right to delete/edit crappy posts from it that do not add value. Also expect new threads on stats to either be merged with this one or closed as applicable.
Notes to anyone wanting to post their stats:
1. Be sure to make sure you have AT LEAST 10k hands in your stats. Posting screenshots of PokerTracker/HoldemManager/Other is recommended. Try any include whatever you feel necessary...look at previous posts in this thread as a guide.
2. Ideally each post will get their own 15 minutes of fame in this thread and to keep this thread readable, if someone else just posted their stats then consider waiting for the discussion of their stats to die down so that we dont have too many concurrent threads going in this thread.
3. Want to see other stat posts? Use 2+2 search engine to search for '+stat -Re', select 'Subject Only within forum of choice for last 2 years
4. Understand that stats are just numbers and you cant find all leaks by looking at them...this is why some people think stats posts are not that useful. They can be useful but understand that nothing beats actually getting involved in the forum and replying to strategy posts/hands. This forum helps people who helps themselves. i can tell you to play more hands in late position and to raise more preflop but unless you get involved in the forums you wont get any feedback on if you are picking the right spots.
5. When you ask for comments on your stats you are likely to get some blunt comments. This is expected so try and take each comment based on its merit.
6. Lets restrict this to NL holdem 6max and full ring. Post limit in the limits stats thread, post HU elsewhere.
Notes to anyone who wants to comment on stats:
1. Im fully aware that some people dont like stats threads and that some say not to worry about stats but the reality is that there are posters who want stats threads so they do have a place in this forum so basically if you dont like stat posts then dont post in this thread
2. feel free to notify mods then direct people to this thread if they want their stats anaylsed
Well thats about it. Lets make this thread a quality one so that it serves as a great stats reference.
Ozi
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It's time to update this thread a bit.
Today @tdammon shared his results with us and here is a short overview of his base.
I'm sure many members will be happy to offer advice and support to help @tdammon on his journey!
1. Results
Total
Win Rates by position
Table selection (Fish VPIP 45%+)
Despite the suboptimal selection, your results in this sample are impressive.
Your table selection could be improved, as you played at tables with good fish only 35% of the time.
Given the ample selection available at micro-stakes, it's worth investing more effort into finding more favorable tables.
2. Spots
In general, the reliability of these indicators tends to decrease in a small sample size, particularly in 3-bet pots.
3. Preflop
The preflop looks solid except BB calls. It looks like you're defending roughly the same range against all positions.
Take a closer look at your Big Blind ranges. You should consider widening your calling range against the Small Blind's opens.
Additionally, you can incorporate more 3-betting, especially against opponents who fold frequently to 3-bets.
4. Postflop
It may be worth increasing the number of bluffs on the turn and river after cbetting the flop.
In addition, I would be able to bet the flop more often with value and bluffs. Right now your flop checking range looks very protected (Xfold Turn 37% IP and 31% OOP).
Also, consider increasing your Delayed C-bet frequency. This can be an effective exploit at the micro stakes.
Low Folds vs Cbets OOP. You could consider defending less frequently, although upon reviewing your hands, I didn't find any instances where folding on the flop seemed warranted.
Your relatively low preflop calling frequency might influence this.
X/Raise OOP is good, but Raise IP is too low. Also low Float Flop IP.
The sample size for 3bet pots isn't great, but one noticeable aspect is low raises, both in position and out of position.
5. Summarize
Overall, it was challenging for me to identify any significant leaks in your game given your impressive results.
Your strategy in single-raised pots appears quite balanced, perhaps even overly so.
While balance is not a negative, I would suggest focusing more on exploiting opponents' tendencies at these limits rather than strictly adhering to balance.
Based on your performance, I believe your skill level is sufficient to comfortably beat NL10 and be competitive at NL25.
However, there are areas for improvement, particularly in your table selection.
Additionally, consider refining your big blind defense ranges and honing your skills when defending against 3-bet pots.
These adjustments could further enhance your overall game.
Best of luck!
Thanks for the review @slyless !
I do find myself checking back a lot of my strong hands thinking V can bluff into me. I'm worried about being exploited when I show weakness, but maybe that isn't a concern against the majority of the 5nl pool.
I am surprised, but happy, to hear that you think I could beat a higher game. Personally, I feel clueless in most spots postflop and feel like the vast majority of my winnings come from fish that show up and 5 bet A7o and get stacked within 10 hands lol.
I will have to work on table selection. Any suggestions for how to quickly identify fish? I have a HUD but it is hard to tag someone with less than 50 hands played and I feel like most fish just donk off a stack and leave.
I do find myself checking back a lot of my strong hands thinking V can bluff into me. I'm worried about being exploited when I show weakness, but maybe that isn't a concern against the majority of the 5nl pool.
If you hold a strong hand, it's advisable to bet. Using weaker hands like TPWK, MP, WP for bluffcatching.
Any suggestions for how to quickly identify fish?
These players typically have an incomplete stack and frequently limp. Positioning yourself against them is crucial.
Often, identifying them as recreational players doesn't take long, especially after showing a few showdowns.
If such players are absent from the table, it's better to find another one where you have an advantage.
Hey everyone!
Today, we're presenting another brief base review of the user @Aergiia, who embarked on their poker journey at the nl5 limit.
If you have any feedback or additional insights to contribute, we're always open to constructive criticism!
1. Results
Total
Win Rates by position
Table selection (Fish VPIP 45%+)
A selection rate of 28% is quite low and could benefit from improvement.
Working on this aspect of your game can significantly enhance your mathematical expectation without altering your overall strategy.
This skill becomes crucial at higher limits, where opponents are more competitive.
2. Spots.
3. Preflop
The Open Raise on SB looks too wide but I think it’s okay because opponents are still not good at defending the big blind at these limits.
Low 4bets. You need 4-bet wider on CO/BU in position (maybe just variance).
High 3Bets on SB and very low 3Bets on BB.
Don't mind cold calls from free positions, but I would use them exclusively in spots with fish.
Otherwise, it's better to simplify your strategy to 3bet or fold, especially on SB where we always play out of position postflop.
Too wide calls on BB against MP-CO and wider against BU. It shouldn't be like that.
4. Postflop
First of all your aggression is too low. You need to increase your aggression on the flop and turn.
Also, you have a high Went to Show Down (the normal value is 26-28); Low Won When Saw Flop (45-49%); Low Won on Show Down (together with the WTSD and WWSF, this can indicate that you play passively and often reach the showdown with weak hands.)
Low flop Cbet and very low delay Cbet on the turn.
You should bet more CBet on the flop, and bluff very wide when your opponent checks twice. This is a very profitable line on micro limits.
Also, your Check on the flop and Fold on the turn looks high.
This means that you are CBetting with a strong range and leaving a lot of trash in the Check range.
This is a vulnerable strategy that allows thoughtful opponents to exploit you.
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High Check/Fold and complete absence of Checks/Raises on the flop.
Low delay Cbet.
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Looks okay. Maybe you can defend less on the flop.
This will allow you to slightly increase the Folds on the flop but lower them on the turn and river.
You have a Check/Raise on the flop and that's a good thing because it's your main defense weapon.
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High Folds on the flop and Low Floats.
BB vs SB is the main scenario in this spot and we need to be able to defend well in these wide ranges.
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3bet pots follow the same trends as Single raise pots.
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5. Summarize
Despite performing fairly well, there are still ample areas for improvement in your game.
1. Enhance your table selection skills, particularly in the 5-max format. This format can add extra rake, so it's crucial to identify where your edge lies. Avoid playing at tables where you don't see profitable opportunities.
2. Refine your preflop strategy, especially in defending blinds more effectively in the 5-max format. Now your out-of-position BB call result is -125bb/100 which is worse than if you just folded all your hands preflop (-100bb/100).
3. Work on your postflop strategy, starting with single-raise pots. Develop a solid plan for barreling in and out of position and improve your defense in BB vs SB scenarios. These adjustments will improve your game in 3bet pots as well.
Keep striving for improvement, and best of luck on your poker journey!
Could you please help me to calculate my win rate for 10,000 hands played [Uploading Image...]
Hey all, I'm not here to complain about variance but my graph literally looks like it got doom switched since 3/31/24. I have not switched stakes at all - my average buy in has always been about $8 MTT's on ACR. There are PLENTY of donks at that level. Just looking for some pointers or any advice on what I should look at changing in my strategy or even game selection.
Before 3/31/24:
After 3/31/24:
I know my first 14k hands is over a small sample vs the last 44k hands but these two graphs almost look like two different players and I have no idea why other than taking some brutal beats recently.
The only changes I've made to my play style have been to tighten up a little when OOP as I was trying to limit the bleeding in the BB and the SB. Doesn't seem like that has worked. I know this is really a top level view of what is going on but if anyone can offer any pointers on what exactly I should be looking at to try and improve I would GREATLY appreciate it.
Some other questions I had -
Should I drop lower down in stakes?
I don't normally play more than 3 or 4 tables at once. I personally think that I may do better only playing two tables at once as I am able to focus on player tendencies more. The HUD isn't always perfect especially over a small sample. However, maybe I'm just leveling myself.
How much attention should I be paying to the HUD? I always try to factor in VPIP, PFR, and 3bet Freq before making my decisions. Are there any other stats that you all use to make better decisions?
I find that I have trouble continuing on turns/rivers when my opponents start to polarize - especially playing villains with small HUD sample sizes. When should you continue with more middling hands post flop, if ever? I'm trying to improve my red line but that seems almost impossible at these stakes where opponents make more calling mistakes as opposed to folding mistakes.
If you've come this far I just really want to thank you for reading! Appreciate any and ALL help!
I trust I'm posting this acceptably.
I play on a site free of huds, I have had a little microstakes coaching but not as much as I ought to. I recognize my results leave much to be desired. Some pointers on concepts I can look up and learn more about that I'd do well to look into would be good. Perhaps what resources as well if it's not something in MPT, POP, or some other popular resource I happen to have handy.
I trust I'm posting this acceptably.
I play on a site free of huds, I have had a little microstakes coaching but not as much as I ought to. I recognize my results leave much to be desired. Some pointers on concepts I can look up and learn more about that I'd do well to look into would be good. Perhaps what resources as well if it's not something in MPT, POP, or some other popular resource I happen to have handy.
when IP get your shovel and shepherds cane and herd theese droolers into submission with 3bets
enter pots from the blinds by 3betting
checkraise backdoor equity and hands that interract with the board blocking opponent from connecting with the board
tripple barrel with hands that block your opponemt from having top pair like KJ on Qxx
look for spots where opponents are capped then grab your sledgehammer and start bustin cheeks with massive overbets
I trust I'm posting this acceptably.
I play on a site free of huds, I have had a little microstakes coaching but not as much as I ought to. I recognize my results leave much to be desired. Some pointers on concepts I can look up and learn more about that I'd do well to look into would be good. Perhaps what resources as well if it's not something in MPT, POP, or some other popular resource I happen to have handy.
Go to your positional tab and post the statistics from that ribbon. The stats you posted aren't particularly helpful.
It would be useful to see the following:
Raise first in (RFI) by position
3-bet frequencies vs. RFI by position --> You can add in stats, "3-bet vs EP/MP/CO/BT RFI"
cold call % (CC%)
Some BB defense stats: BB vs SB 3bet, BB vs SB Fold, BB vs SB Call
BB 3-bet, Fold and Call vs. BTN
Fold to 3-bet IP/OOP as preflop raiser
It would be useful to see the following:
Raise first in (RFI) by position
3-bet frequencies vs. RFI by position --> You can add in stats, "3-bet vs EP/MP/CO/BT RFI"
cold call % (CC%)
Some BB defense stats: BB vs SB 3bet, BB vs SB Fold, BB vs SB Call
BB 3-bet, Fold and Call vs. BTN
Fold to 3-bet IP/OOP as preflop raiser
Not sure how to pull the specific statistics mentioned
Right click in the area where the stats are and click something like "configure report". In that new window there is a search section where you will be able to search for and add stats into the right section in which they will appear in the ribbon that you have selected. The order in which you want the stats to show in your ribbon can be moved up/down manually on the side.
Go to your positional tab and post the statistics from that ribbon. The stats you posted aren't particularly helpful.
It would be useful to see the following:
Raise first in (RFI) by position
3-bet frequencies vs. RFI by position --> You can add in stats, "3-bet vs EP/MP/CO/BT RFI"
cold call % (CC%)
Some BB defense stats: BB vs SB 3bet, BB vs SB Fold, BB vs SB Call
BB 3-bet, Fold and Call vs. BTN
Fold to 3-bet IP/OOP as preflop raiser
Hopefully everything requested is accounted for. I know I don't the terms that well as they are mentioned on PT4, so I may be mistaken with the metrics I added.
when IP get your shovel and shepherds cane and herd theese droolers into submission with 3bets
enter pots from the blinds by 3betting
checkraise backdoor equity and hands that interract with the board blocking opponent from connecting with the board
tripple barrel with hands that block your opponemt from having top pair like KJ on Qxx
look for spots where opponents are capped then grab your sledgehammer and start bustin cheeks with massive overbets
So there's 3betting IP, semi-bluffing with backdoor equity, overbetting. What other concepts would I do well to learn more about so as not to adapt haphazardly or overcorrect? Where might I do well to learn more about these things?
Thank you for your input.
Hopefully everything requested is accounted for. I know I don't the terms that well as they are mentioned on PT4, so I may be mistaken with the metrics I added.
You still need to add RFI.
BB 3bet vs SB is 11.75%, equilibrium is going to be closer to 18-20%. Would need to evaluate 3-bet success to determine if polarization is optimal vs. your population, but this is very low. It's very common to be ~12% for microstakes players for this node.
Your IP 3-bet frequencies vs. RFI are within normal values, but should probably be evaluated as a function of the construction of the actual ranges due to relatively high CC% in MP/CO/BT (~3, 7, and 11%, respectively). I'd recommend cold calling less in all three of these positions.
Your OOP 3-bet frequencies vs. RFI don't deviate much as a function of the position for the RFI player. For example, your SB 3-bet % vs. EP/MP/CO/BT are all around ~8.5-11. I'd recommend lower vs. earlier positions and vs. BT something between 14-16% as a total percentage. For your BB 3-bet % vs. EP/MP/CO/BT it's all around ~8%. This would be high vs. EP, but low vs. BT, so it's likely that you're 3-betting around the same range vs. all opening positions.
Your BB fold to SB is 64% (!!) this is a huge leak. Likely that you are leaking in BB defense vs. other positions as well.
Your fold to 3-bet values are shown, but they need to be compared to your RFI % values to give you better feedback.
Call river efficiency is 1.68 which is a bit high and for a sample of 185k hands likely indicates you have over-folding leaks either preflop/flop/turn/river or a combination of all of that.
You still need to add RFI.
BB 3bet vs SB is 11.75%, equilibrium is going to be closer to 18-20%. Would need to evaluate 3-bet success to determine if polarization is optimal vs. your population, but this is very low. It's very common to be ~12% for microstakes players for this node.
Your IP 3-bet frequencies vs. RFI are within normal values, but should probably be evaluated as a function of the construction of the actual ranges due to relatively high CC% in MP/CO/BT (~3, 7, and 11%, respectively).
Thank you for the thoughtful input. Added the RFI to the end of the ribbon.
Not sure how specifically to fine-tune how I'm playing. Not without overcorrecting again. Much of why I tightened up in the BB was because I found myself playing big pots with marginal hands. Folding more was a means to not put myself in those situations to begin with, as often as I was. What did you find helpful with exploits, playing OOP and range construction? Perhaps solver interpretation would be good for me to get more familiar with too, to this end.
Thank you again.
Thank you for the thoughtful input. Added the RFI to the end of the ribbon.
Not sure how specifically to fine-tune how I'm playing. Not without overcorrecting again. Much of why I tightened up in the BB was because I found myself playing big pots with marginal hands. Folding more was a means to not put myself in those situations to begin with, as often as I was. What did you find helpful with exploits, playing OOP and range construction? Perhaps solver interpretation would be good for me to get
CO RFI (33%) is too wide for you and I'd recommend reducing that to 25-28% for now.
You can take a look at the following thread for more feedback which would be applicable to you: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/on...