Messed up ruling in a tournament?
I was playing in a $1,100 multi day tournament at the Wynn. There was an older Asian woman to my right in the 4 seat who was basically quiet. She had roughly a starting stack of 30,000 chips.
She is in a hand in the BB multi-way when on the river a guy bets 4,800. The next guy folds and she wants to fold. She moves her cards slightly (it would not be remotely considered a fold) and puts up 300 chips past her cards as her SB for the next hand. She doesn't realize that a guy to our left in the 6th seat still has cards as they are hidden. The guy who made the bet says that its a call and she has to put up the 4,800 chips. The Dealer says he agrees. The Floor gets called over.
Because the Asian woman doesn't speak English particularly well I make it clear that the last hand was hidden and that she had no intent to call. She was putting out the exact SB amount.
Personally I thought she might be forced to give the 300 chips to the guy just like they make you do it when the SB calls the BB not realizing there was a raise (pre-flop).
But the Floor ruled that it was a call and she had to pony up 4,800.
I was stunned that the guy had actually tried to get the money knowing full well the woman was not calling his bet. I have never seen anything like it.
The guy cost himself the action by making it clear he wanted it to be a call when it seemed pretty clear that it shouldn't have been.
If it had seemed clear that the female player wanted to fold the dealer would have scooped up her cards. Based on OP her intent to fold was only clear to him and the player herself. There's zero indication it was clear to anyone else including the dealer. Based on the dealer's inaction on what looks like a call but might be interpreted differently, I'd even go as far as assume that the dealer thought she called.
If there was an obvious intent to fold we should not hold her to a call. I doubt anyone disagrees with that. Based on the way it sounds in OP the lady made the action that was later ruled a call and action proceeded to the next player before anyone spoke up. I reread OP's posts and to me that's not 100% clear though.
If it had seemed clear that the female player wanted to fold the dealer would have scooped up her cards. Based on OP her intent to fold was only clear to him and the player herself. There's zero indication it was clear to anyone else including the dealer. Based on the dealer's inaction on what looks like a call but might be interpreted differently, I'd even go as far as assume that the dealer thought she called.
If there was an obvious intent to fold we should not hold her to a call. I doubt anyo
I don't think the dealer could have scooped up her cards. She was in the 4 seat and her cards were basically still in front of her. Given that there was a chance that she had called I don't think the dealer would have grabbed the cards without asking.
I also think that the player who had bet the 4800 reacted quickly and made it much harder for the dealer to do anything but accept the action as a call.
Had I been the dealer knowing the intent of the woman I would have asked her immediately if that was a call or fold placing a SB out there for the next hand. But that moment passed and what remained was the fact that she had placed chips in the betting area when facing a bet while her cards were still in front of her and hadn't been folded.
So normally when I’ve played, the dealer is watching whomever the action is on, and would say what the action was (unless it was obvious), and then turns to the next player. Was the dealer still just blankly staring at the lady as the other guy is screaming “THATS A CALL” or what?
So normally when I’ve played, the dealer is watching whomever the action is on, and would say what the action was (unless it was obvious), and then turns to the next player. Was the dealer still just blankly staring at the lady as the other guy is screaming “THATS A CALL” or what?
Yes. The dealer was looking at the woman who had pushed her cards slightly forward and put 300 in chips to the left of the BTN (which hadn't been moved). I think he was trying to figure out what to do when the other player said that it was a call.
