What is Considered high rake in live MTTs

What is Considered high rake in live MTTs

Hi, I was wondering what's considered high rake for live mtts in terms of percentage.

whats the cut off % for it to be beatable in the long run?

01 June 2024 at 10:51 PM
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If you want a 20 minute answer to this .. find Allen Kessler!

The lower the price point the higher the rake percentage is going to be. A recent MSPT tournament had 24% for Super Satty, 16% for Satty and 13% for the $1110 Main Event ($970 to prize pool).

I'm not going to dive into it for you, but you also have to look at % of field paid and the payouts themselves. Used to be a min-cash was 2x BI, but now tournaments are going to paying 1-2% more of the field so the min-cash is about 1.7x BI. Tournaments want Players to come back .. so they pay more Players with the residual of more Players 'sniffing' the money bubble as well. The same rule applies to 1st place .. the lower the price point the higher percentage will go to the winner.

As with most rake discussions, you need to somewhat turn away from the actual numbers and take a look at your Player Pool. You also have to consider how you approach the tournament itself. To bring AKessler back into it, a min cash expert so to speak, he definitely doesn't like it when more Players cash since it will reduce his average ROI quite a bit since he doesn't run deep very often. Whereas you take some other Players approach of taking more chances and garnering more Final Tables than Allen, then while the ROI % still suffers these folks have more cheese in the Bankroll most of the time.

In theory, not sure what applies in the GTO/ICM world now, it you cashed in over 10% of your entries AND were able to get at least 5% Final Tables of your cashes, then you'd probably be a +EV tournament Player.

Skill .. Bankroll .. Player Pool .. huge factors beyond rake in tournaments.


Yes but rake is critical. I'll let you play against a group of 3 years old who only know how to say "All In" every hand and regardless of your skill, your bankroll, or the player pool against a big enough rake you are a losing player.


what's considered high rake for live mtts in terms of percentage.

As with most poker questions: It depends. Where? When? How much? I try to answer that question every year for the no limit hold'em poker tournaments in Vegas every summer. I get info on every structure sheet so I can calculate how good the structure (S-Points) of every tournament is, but in doing so I also get buy-in and rake info. After I get all casinos data I run a comparison query:

https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/...

That page will tell you the average rake per casino per price range and for the price range overall.

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