Dealer Drops/Exposes Top THREE Cards While Putting Out Ruling

Dealer Drops/Exposes Top THREE Cards While Putting Out Ruling

Four players in pot, SB lead out on flop and turn, board T864. Dealer somehow flips over A74, A furthest away from her.

What’s the ruling?

24 June 2024 at 11:14 AM
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When too many cards are put out, call the floor, dealer will scramble, floor will pick one (or three, if it's the flop) of the cards to be the true card.

In general, you do not assume you can figure out which card should have been the correct card. This is extra true on the flop when any one of the three cards could have been the one that accidentally brought the extra card, but it should be true for any street.

Note that TDA only seems to talk about the case for extra cards on the flop.

39: Irregular Flops and Premature-Dealt Cards

A: 4-Card Flops. If the flop has 4 rather than 3 cards, exposed or not, and regardless of whether the door card is presumed known, the floor will be called. The dealer then scrambles the 4 cards face down, the floor randomly selects 1 as the next burn card and the other 3 are the flop (See also RP-14 Randomness).

If this happened on the turn, the next two cards would be the burn and river, so their order would be material (and knowing them in advance would be a major issue). In this case I would shuffle them into the stub before dealing new burn and river.


As is the case for premature cards coming out, TDA wants one procedure no matter which Street the hand is on. So even though it's quite likely that an experienced Dealer will know how to put cards back onto the Stub it's not recommended. LOTS of Dealers will attempt this in an effort to keep the game moving and avoid the Floor Call. In general most Players will trust what the Dealer does, but Players still have a right to request the Floor even if the Dealer is trying to move on.

The reshuffle of the Stub will depend on the exact situation, with exposed cards going beyond any 'next' Burn card being the primary reason to wash and reset the Stub. GL


by dinesh k

When too many cards are put out, call the floor, dealer will scramble, floor will pick one (or three, if it's the flop) of the cards to be the true card.

In general, you do not assume you can figure out which card should have been the correct card. This is extra true on the flop when any one of the three cards could have been the one that accidentally brought the extra card, but it should be true for any street.

Note that TDA only seems to talk about the case for extra cards on the flop.

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I agree with this assuming the turn action is complete, OP isn't super clear to me. If turn action is not complete, whole stub should be reshuffled once the time comes.


Turn action was complete and to be clear this was a cash game. When floor came over dealer first said she had no idea of the order. Floor said it was most likely 7 was the correct river card (true).

I was very tired and am now unsure of exact board & action, but it was very clear SB had best hand and the A & 4 wouldnÂ’t change that but the 7 definitely would.

Floor ruled it was the 7, it got checked down and HJ took the pot. SB took it much better than I wouldÂ’ve but did voice his displeasure and quit the game.

I agree scrambling the three and picking one is correct but putting them back in the stub and shuffling isn’t bad either. Drunk guy wanted misdeal declared and the pot divided up! ��


You should only reshuffle if it happens before action completes on the previous street (i.e. premature card), or in the very specific case that 3 (or more, somehow) cards got exposed on the turn, since one of them will end up being the river if you just put them back on top, which is way too much info to give away.

It should never ever ever ever be a misdeal, but I assume everyone but the drunk knew that.

Deciding it was probably one of the three cards is a bad ruling, even if true. There's a reason the rule specifically says not to do that, even if you're pretty sure you know which card it should be. (It is more OK if the cards remained face down, because random is random anyway.)


by BullyEyelash k

Turn action was complete and to be clear this was a cash game. When floor came over dealer first said she had no idea of the order. Floor said it was most likely 7 was the correct river card (true).

Not a fan of dealer and floor even speculating which card most likely was the correct one.


If action is complete, I'm picking one of the three cards at random to be the river (and another to be the burn). If there's additional action pending on the turn, all 3 are being reshuffled into the stub.


by madlex k

Not a fan of dealer and floor even speculating which card most likely was the correct one.

Yup, I hate this.


by DisRuptive1 k

If action is complete, I'm picking one of the three cards at random to be the river (and another to be the burn). If there's additional action pending on the turn, all 3 are being reshuffled into the stub.

That’s what I’ll tell them next time. Especially once the dealer first said she had no idea what the cards were, the floor, who’s really good at managing the tables & lists, went off the rails.


I didn't realize there was a TDA rule on this.

It happened at the WSOP this year (yesterday at the Mini Main) on the river. The dealer accidentally flipped over two cards after action on the turn ended and after dealing a burn card. It was obvious which one should have been the river and the dealer called the Floor over. The Floor agreed which card it should be and we went with it. I was not in the hand and the board was something like QJ75. The 2 cards were T (what should have been the river) and A. No flush would have been hit with either card. The irony was that the original raiser had checked back both the flop and turn so I thought they now were going to have a straight but in the end neither player bet the river if I remember correctly. I don't remember who won the hand but there was no straight. One player did mildly object (not the original raiser) but the Floor allowed the T to play anyway. I thought the objection was based on either fear that the T would help the other player or desire to have the A be the card in the hopes that the two cards would be shuffled and one would be picked...

Other than this, every time it has happened at the table in my experience has been the flop and there has never been an attempt to get it right in the moment. The four cards have always been shuffled around and 3 have been picked.

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