Ruling 4/8 limit, kill pot 8/16?

Action never changed all they did was undercall which should be held to a full call.

Allowing them to raise should be enough to send a floor hone for the day and give them a drug test, it’s that dumb. (Only half joking).

as crd said, UTG+2 has already called, he just underecalled. There is no way ever ever ever he should be allowed to raise (or fold), especially with someone behind him already having called too.

Agree but really a simple ruling. He acted but never completed the call. Now he can surrender his hand but he still owes the full call he committed to.

I am assuming since you posted this what floor ruled was different.

Yup. I was sure it was the wrong ruling at the time, but hey, it's a 4/8 game and it moves the game along.

He canceled all action and rolled it back to UTG. I will speak to his supervisor tomorrow.

My opinion is UTG+2 should be allowed to call or surrender the $4 already put out there. Definitely should not be allowed to raise.

If I was in the hand I would allow UTG+2 to fold without putting anything out there, but everyone else would also need to agree to that.

According to OP, it goes from UTG to UTG+1 to MP1.
So which one is UTG+2? Is it UTG+1, MP1 or someone else in between who has been skipped?

From the OP it sounds like UTG+1 got skipped and should be allowed to raise.

Guessing it's just a typo in OP.

"UTG+2 pulled back the $4 and then raises it to $16"

Anybody who undercalled absolutely can not raise. If somebody was skipped, then they have all options available.

Yes, it was a typo. It is all UTG and UTG+1.

I spoke with the floor that made the ruling and he said he didn't think the kill was announced but never checked. I don't think that changes anything, though he should have asked. Anyway, the senior floor has been too busy, so I texted him the hand today.

Agreed, that detail is irrelevant to the issue at hand. It doesn't matter if the kill wasn't announced, the only other possible ruling would be if significant action had occurred, they could rule the pot will be played normally and the kill pot will be made up the next hand.

Yes .. just an under-call that should be completed. Certainly some Rule #1 room to allow Players to forfeit the $4 and fold, but raising should never come into play for those that have already acted.

Action didn't change .. UTG1 already acted .. UTG1 failed to protect their action during MP's call .. Can't let UTG or UTG1 take advantage of knowing MP was going to call and allow them to change their action. All sorts of stuff going on here preventing UTG OR UTG1 from raising.

Had MP announced Raise when putting out the 8 there may have been a small crack in the door allowing action to stand and playing the hand out as 4/8 but it's not mentioned .. only that it was reiterated that it was a Kill Pot during/at MP's action. GL