Discussion of changes to Breakroom thread policy
These posts were originally in the breakroom thread, when discussing a proposed change to the posting policy in that thread. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27/ca...
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Mod: I'm not sure if this was intended, but since you posted this in the breakroom thread, you should only be getting feedback from employees here.
I might be wrong so please correct me if I am, but instinct is to post these types of things in the break room thread simply because they are rules questions, but they are rules questions that involve (potential) angles. They don't involve strategy (or behaviors players should be emulating), but they involve crazy grey areas that dealers often see so I think they should be shared so all dealers can learn. That said, I generally do not mind players providing feedback (sometimes I would even welcome it), but I think it needs to be provided in the spirit of the thread. We don't need to beat up on dealers for sharing a story they are uncertain of.
Maybe I should have started a new thread for this post because it does involve things player need to think about.
Yes, the OP in 2010 said that. Then, in the 2019 update, they restricted that further saying
So stop going back to that old line as if it were the only guidance.
Frankly, I would keep the current guidelines, which allow for a bit of discretion, but would delete the old "anyone is allowed to post" line from below the update. I don't think non-employees should be absolutely verboten, but I do think some customers, and yes chillrob, I think you are one of them, insert themselves into the discussio
Those 2019 guidelines look fine to me as well. If a moderator thinks that I or anyone else has overstepped them, just let that person know.
Considering that I have made one post here in my recent memory (apart from this discussion) I can't imagine it has been "way too much", but if a mod tells me something like that, I act on it.
And nine of those were after a mod "told you something like that" on September 3rd.
It's only showing me 5 when I do a search, but I have never been able to use the search function well here. Of the ones I do see, one was asking what "yo" meant, and 3 were giving support to JimL in his stories of dealing with problem players.
Anyway, I am sorry if I have caused any problems here. But I didn't see any restrictions in the OP about giving positive feedback to dealers after they tell a story, and I have tried to follow the OP rules regarding what kinds of things non-employees should be free to comment on.
I did want to comment on something said by Bolt2112 above:
The Casino & Cardroom category is full of threads on "What do you think of this ruling?" or "How should this situation be handled?" and plenty of dealers and non-dealers share their thoughts.
Is that what you meant?
Unfortunately, the above is no longer true. Take a look at the main Casino & Cardroom category, and you will see that hardly any ruling questions are put up there anymore.
I don't know how to get a true count for comparison, but it seems to me that more ruling questions are posted in this thread than in the general one. And really those are the only ones I'm particularly interested in participation. Plus, a plurality of the ones here recently have been posted by JimL, who just said that he wouldn't mind getting the opinions of non-employees to his last post about a ruling.
The OP mentions the kinds of things that this thread was made for, and unless I missed it, it doesn't mention those kinds of posts. I wish JimL and the other dealers who make posts about rulings, would post them in the thread actually made for that, instead of to this thread. Those are the kinds of things that poker players are interested in anyway, not the posts about employer EO policies, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc, which definitely make sense to be here. And maybe for the funny dealer stories, they could also be placed in a separate thread accessible by everyone, as someone else recently suggested.
I think those changes could make everyone here happier, and given the huge loss of overall activity in these forums over the last several years, I don't think it is productive to try to remove the enthusiastic participation that still exists.
Last note, particularly to JimL - I really like your posts and have enjoyed discussing things with you here and elsewhere, even when we have completely disagreed about something. Regardless of what is decided here, please start posting more of your stuff in the general forum where more people can enjoy them and participate.
It's only showing me 5 when I do a search, but I have never been able to use the search function well here. Of the ones I do see, one was asking what "yo" meant, and 3 were giving support to JimL in his stories of dealing with problem players.
Anyway, I am sorry if I have caused any problems here. But I didn't see any restrictions in the OP about giving positive feedback to dealers after they tell a story, and I have tried to follow the OP rules regarding what kinds of things non-employees shou
Well spoken. Separate threads for separate dealing/ruling questions would be clearer with the thread header, get more thorough discussion, and including us "customers".
Well spoken. Separate threads for separate dealing/ruling questions would be clearer with the thread header, get more thorough discussion, and including us "customers".
Good idea. Let's make a separate thread for other stuff.
Meanwhile we can leave this thread alone for discussions about dealing stories, dealing challenges, dealing opportunities, and other things that dealers want to discuss.
Good idea. Let's make a separate thread for other stuff.
Meanwhile we can leave this thread alone for discussions about dealing stories, dealing challenges, dealing opportunities, and other things that dealers want to discuss.
I don't think we necessarily need a different thread. Employees could just start putting their posts about rulings into the main CCP subforum (creating new threads in the section one level above this one).
I don't think we necessarily need a different thread. Employees could just start putting their posts about rulings into the main CCP subforum (creating new threads in the section one level above this one).
Exactly. Separate threads for each problem or case. I wrote "thread header" above, meant "thread headers"
You don't think it could be important or at least useful to know how long time card room customers think particular situations should be handled?
If they do, they can post in a normal thread and ask for customer feedback.
Maybe we should also have a thread where players can complain about dealers and other card room employees, but none of them are allowed to post in it? Makes the same amount of sense.
If people think this sort of thread would be helpful, I am fine with it. I think you were just being pedantic, but if not, feel free to start a thread along these lines and I'll mod it up with special restrictions and we'll see what happens.
But my opinion on that is meaningless, so is everybody else's opinion who isn't an employee. The only opinions that matter are the OP, the mods, and to a lesser extent, the other employees that post here.
I just want to clarify this a little bit. Most threads here are open to everyone. The OP does not, in general, get to decide who they do or do not want to hear from in a new post they create. Once the OP is made, the thread is released to the community for any and all to contribute to.
There are some posts that are given special rules and special consideration, because doing so benefits the community in some way. The breakroom thread is one of them.
As many of us understand, but which I will belabor now, the reasoning is that we're trying to give cardroom employees a place to be themselves and talk openly with other employees, because we want to encourage their participation here, and because having a window into it may help cardroom customers in some way as well.
I think those changes could make everyone here happier, and given the huge loss of overall activity in these forums over the last several years, I don't think it is productive to try to remove the enthusiastic participation that still exists.
I also want to mention that I completely agree with most of this. The forums are dying. Participation in this forum in particular is dying. Since COVID at least I have been a lot more lenient with moderation because I don't want to stifle anyone who wants to participate and be part of the solution.
Having said that, in this thread at least, one person's participation is another person's (or, in this case, many such people's) annoyance. The end goal is to continue to have more dealer participation even if it's at the expense of others, at least here in this thread. Ideally the forum overall will benefit in toto.
IMHO this entire derail just illustrates "why we can't have nice things here"
For anyone interested in a thread where customers can complain about dealers there is always the Tipping Containment thread
This "derail", after the first few posts, is comments about things the moderator asked for feedback on.
