Angle, cheater, or am I over-reacting?

Angle, cheater, or am I over-reacting?

I was playing in a mixed $2/$3 NLH/PLO game in a 2-table cardroom when, after the showdown, a newer player should have been awarded 3/4 of a double board PLO bomb pot. The dealer missed it and gave each player half, which was clearly $400+ each - 8 stacks of $5's and a few chips on top. I was able to stop the dealer, but not before both hands were killed. The floor was called, and they went to check the camera, but they did not stop the action, or count the pot of the new player, who had been all in.

The player that should have been quartered then offered the new guy $180 and that somehow became the correct amount, I tried to correct it to $200+, but the dealer started declaring that she knew the correct amount was $180. I tried to interject but gave up due to the excitement.

After the floor determined 3/4 of the pot should have gone to the new guy, the dealer had the other guy give the $180 over. Close enough, I guess and the new player seemed to think it was OK, but the money wasn't right and I don't like that.

This was two weeks ago and it still bothers me. I think the other guy knew he should have been quartered and knew he was getting a discount. I'm thinking about going to the GM and reviewing the camera to show him the dealer errors and flag the other guy as, at best, an angle shooter.

As a side note, both the 1/4 guy and the dealer are now hostile towards me.

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27 January 2025 at 06:27 AM
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Yeah I'm sure the guy who was incorrectly awarded the full pot knew but there's really no way to prove it. To me there's no point in taking it any farther.

If you go to the GM it will likely just turn into people having more of a problem with you for ratting them out. Then it becomes tense and uncomfortable. You also have to worry about them retaliating by giving you unfavorable rulings in the future.

It would be different if I expected anything productive to come out of going to the GM, but really the most they would probably do is give the player and/or dealer a warning. In this case I would just let it go and make a mental note to watch the angling player more closely in the future.


by JayKon k

I was playing in a mixed $2/$3 NLH/PLO game in a 2-table cardroom when, after the showdown, a newer player should have been awarded 3/4 of a double board PLO bomb pot. The dealer missed it and gave each player half, which was clearly $400+ each - 8 stacks of $5's and a few chips on top. I was able to stop the dealer, but not before both hands were killed. The floor was called, and they went to check the camera, but they did not stop the action, or count the pot of the new player, who had been al

1. good for you that you tried to help the other guy, although it was not your money
2. every correction that could have been made was in that moment, when it happened, now, 2 weeks later, nothing you will do will change any of the outcome, it might even (as other poster mentioned) worsen your standing with the people there, bc they'll see you as "troublemaker" (although you are correct, i know, but that doesn't count for them)
3. now to the really important part:
the fact that it still bothers you after 2 weeks hints at deeper issues within yourself, that you should try and work on (i have/had the same issues, so i know ;-)) ...it's about a need for fairness/respect/control. learn that there are things you can control, and others you can't ... and wasting energy on them is just, well, waste.
try to look at it from a positive point of view: this situation was created for me so that i could realize there are issues within myself that i should work on ... sounds strange at first, i know, but let it sink in for a moment and give it a shot. GL


Well done, but it's over. Player was happy about the $180. Let it go.

FWIW, I would have let it go after they said $180 and everyone agreed -- you did your part.


They're not gonna review the camera after two weeks and with no action pending, unless you were telling them you witnessed someone stealing money from the house or something. At least you spoke up and got it almost settled correctly.

If you still wanna go to the GM I would do it to report the dealer's hostility towards you weeks after correcting his mistakes. I've seen dealers get fired for customer service issues like that, but of course it depends on the location.


You did everything on point right up until the casino and both parties agreed on $180. Everything after that has been an overreaction.


2 weeks later probably nothing to be done about the hand

Now the 2 people still being hostile toward you....I would have fun with that. Assuming the hostility is noticeable to everyone else at the table....

"Sir I'm sorry I didn't let you cheat someone out of $200 before. I'll stay out of it next time."

I wouldn't actually stay out it but hopefully it embarrasses him at the table and the hostility stops.


by MMMed13 k

2 weeks later probably nothing to be done about the hand

Now the 2 people still being hostile toward you....I would have fun with that. Assuming the hostility is noticeable to everyone else at the table....

"Sir I'm sorry I didn't let you cheat someone out of $200 before. I'll stay out of it next time."

I wouldn't actually stay out it but hopefully it embarrasses him at the table and the hostility stops.

That might start a fight, but I do have excellent health insurance and the city has a nice jail.


by bolt2112 k

You did everything on point right up until the casino and both parties agreed on $180. Everything after that has been an overreaction.

My problem is that the guy who should have gotten 3/4 didn't understand the game enough to count his chips to get the correct amount. I am also sure that others at the table, who did not speak up, also knew the money was wrong. This creates an environment where some people feel they can get away with crap here that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere,

That said, and as true as it may be, this room is known for lightly enforcing or ignoring rules with little consequence, like rabbit hunting or show one, show all. The result is more of a party atmosphere and looser play - which makes the game more profitable.

Maybe I'm just not mercenary enough, but I just can't stand the thought of a new player, who is going to be a loser anyway, being cheated and leaving the game ... making it that much harder to beat. I have seen this happen before.


Thank you for protecting the integrity of the game.

That said, let it go, if I got 90% of $200 that I missed claiming, I'd be fine with it and apparently 3/4 is fine with it.

I'd complain about the dealer if they are being hostile. If I was in a tipping situation, I'd stop tipping them, and at the first hint of dissatisfaction, I'd make it very clear that this is a direct result of giving me attitude.

Mr 1/4 is a different issue, I agree with the poster that would say 'sorry I didn't let you cheat that guy'. But dealing with irksome players is such a perennial issue that everyone has to develop their own approach and I use a variety of tactics myself that vary based on the person and the situation.


We are all human and mistakes can happen. But some folks can feel offended when a 3rd party 'calls them out' on it. Mistakes in poker have an affect on future hands.

Not that anything extra is warranted as it should happen all the time, but we should/could pay a bit more attention to the details when there's a new Player in the mix. Growing (and protecting) the Player Pool is something I pay attention any time I'm in the room. Players that feel they were ripped off or if Players make them feel unwelcome.

In this case here I don't think OP could've done anything else and it's really too bad that it's having this affect on them. It doesn't help that the other parties involved are hanging on to it also which doesn't help the OP move on.

I've been in spots where the table was 'on hold' while a video was checked, but I've also seen the table move on. In one of those spots the part that ultimately owed chips went broke and left the table! GL


by JayKon k

I was playing in a mixed $2/$3 NLH/PLO game in a 2-table cardroom when, after the showdown, a newer player should have been awarded 3/4 of a double board PLO bomb pot. The dealer missed it and gave each player half, which was clearly $400+ each - 8 stacks of $5's and a few chips on top. I was able to stop the dealer, but not before both hands were killed. The floor was called, and they went to check the camera, but they did not stop the action, or count the pot of the new player, who had been al

The floor was called so it's not on you. Who cares about the 1/4 guy the dealership should've been doing his/her job so who cares about them either?

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