Bad floor decision.

What happened?

You could go over their head, and send an email to the poker room manager explaining the situation and how it cost you money.

I have heard of other situations where a poker room has, "made it right, " and compensated someone if a particularly bad ruling cost them money.

I would say the sooner you bring it to their attention, the better your chances. That way they can review the security video and determine what happened. Even if they don't give you the money back, they might at least comp you a meal or something.

There is a rule where if someone put in more than half of what a raise would be you are now forced to raise.

I bet 50 my opponent bets 100 I throw in enough chips to make it 126 total I now have to at least min-raise to 150. If I wanted to call I would have to make it 124 dollars total or less.

Despite the fact that my opponent made a mistake and threw in over half the amount for a raise the floor made an incorrect call and said since he did it with large chips it’s just a call and they are not forced to raise. My understanding of the rule is that if you’re going to throw in calling chips that you do not mean to raise with you have to say call otherwise you may be subject to this rule if you throw in too much. My opponent said nothing.

I believe the floor got confused and thought if you toss in 1 chip without saying anything it’s a call but this guy tossed in 2 chips.

If my opponent were forced to raise as they should have I would have shoved and I am fairly certain they would have called. I had the nuts.

I like this idea, if I can get the poker room managers data I think I will do this.

Just beware of stepping on any toes. I've let a lot of situations go over the years, because turning a floor against you at a room you frequent can cost you far more than one big pot.

If he gets in trouble for making a bad call maybe he would do a better job. If he makes more bad calls against me and I inform his manager maybe he gets removed and these bad calls don’t happen anymore. Have you just not said anything out of fear of what might happen or you decided to pursue it and you have had really bad results?

youre upset the floor didnt force someone who made a mistake to put in more money when that wasnt their intent? lol?

100 percent yes.

If the rule is bad then they shouldn’t have the rule at all. I have been forced to raise in a situation that i didn’t want to raise because of this rule, if it is applied to me it should be applied to everyone.

you are honestly everything wrong with poker

You are what is wrong with poker. If you think the rule is bad then the rule should not exist at all. You should have an issue with the rule and not me for wanting it to be applied fairly and for everyone.

i mean you are on a message board asking for help getting the floor in additional trouble because he didnt help you soft angle a likely rec that made a mistake.

It isn’t a soft angle, it is a rule in the poker room. The rule does not say if you intended to call then it is not applied. The rule does not state if you use big chips then the rule is not applied.

It sounds to me that you just don’t like the poker rooms rule and thus find it off putting to have it applied to anyone. I didn’t create the rule and if you think the rule is bad then you should complain about that and not me.

lol

I’m in the right and you are wrong. Lol

After reading this reply, I think there's a chance the floor got this right and OP is mistaken. It would depend on specifics, which I find sort of odd that OP has left out in all of their posts.

Edit - Thinking about this more, going by your words of "this guy threw in two chips", I'd increase my suspicious that the floor got it right to damn near 100%. Two chips is either more than a full raise and thus clearly a raise (aka no need to enforce the 50% rule) or it's a call protected by the multiple chip betting rule I quoted below.

1st bold part - There is NEVER a situation where a player has to announce call. What I mean is that it doesn't matter what the bet is, or what number of any denominations a player has in their stack. There is always a way from them to call a bet without verbalizing it. Yes, obviously, verbalizing is smart to make your actions clear, but there is no situation where a player *has* to announce call. They can always do it silently.

2nd bold part - The multiple chip betting rule supersedes the 50% rule.

For example if you bet $125, and the other player throw in two $100 chips, that is a call.

In the event you were in fact wronged, or feel you were, you can either ask for a higher supervisor or the gaming board if they are overseen by one.

Irrelevant to the ruling in question, but lol this. The other player was merely trying to call your bet, but you're "fairly certain" they would have called your 3 bet jam? Lol, K.

Even if you were wronged, it's very unlikely you'd be given anything more than the raise the player should have made. They aren't going to reward you with 'What if' dollars.

The only way your opponents $100 play is a raise is if it is two or more chips. If he threw out a $100 chip it is a call. What happened did he put out two or more chips?

Your description here is also not complete. There is no way to know what you are talking about. When you made it $126 it is a min raise to $150. It is not a "I now have to at least min raise to $150" It is literally a minraise to $150. No choice in the matter. This happens a lot and the dealer is required to say that it is a raise to $150 unless you have less than $150 at which point it has to be an all in for whatever you have (which was clearly not the case here).

From the above you bet $50 your opponent min raised to $100 (lets assume he did it with two or more chips) and then you made it $126 which is a min raise to $150. You don't describe what happened next. Are you saying that the opponent tried to call the $150 and put in $200 with more than 2 chips? If your opponent put out $200 with 2 $100 chips that is a call. If your opponent threw out one more $100 chip that is also a call even if he had 4 $25 chips out there already.

Please tell us what actually happened.

Let me tell you what happened exactly.

My opponent bet out for 55.
I raised to 175.
Then he put 2 additional 100 dollar chips out for a total of 255. Which is 80 dollars additional. The threshold for a raise would be 60 additional or more but he put out 80 additional so IMO he should have been forced to raise or to fold and leave that money in.

Player needed 120 more to call
Player throws out two 100 chips

Clear as day call by the multiple chip rule. The 55 already bet does not count. If you remove either chip thrown out, he is shy of bet.

I guess the crux of the issue is whether or not the 55 count. I feel I’ve seen plenty of players call with chips and pull back their original chips this guy didn’t. If you are right that the 55 does not count even though he didn’t pull it back then I agree that he did not raise.

That wasn’t the angle that the floor was arguing for but it’s something to be considered.

This rule, like a lot of the rules, is there to reduce angling (or worse) where people can make it look like a raise but then say it's a call after getting a read from you.

This rule, like a lot of the rules, isn't always identical in every room (this one specifically is sometimes different between cash and tournaments in the same room) ... and they are often bent slightly when it's obvious to everyone the intent wasn't angling (and/or the person is obviously new to live poker).

IMNSHO it is super obvious that the intent was to put $200 out to cover the $175 bet, and is something I see a lot of players do. If he put them out one at a time then it'd be a call everywhere. Even putting them out as one movement would also be a call everywhere, if he also took the 55 back "immediately". New players being oblivious to previous bets is super common, and how soon immediately "should" be is debatable ... but this seems like the correct ruling by the floor, to the point that I would think the floor is bad/worse if they ruled differently.

As always sub. is blunt like a hammer to the nose, but as is also often the case he's not really wrong. Be better. 1/5 thread.

Chips already bet don't count unless they are manipulated (i.e. player would have picked up the 55 and threw it out with the two blacks as one). Same thing with the one chip rule.

It’s interesting to me that you say the 55 does not count. In my experience if instead he threw out 4 100 dollar chips and did not take back the 55 the bet from him would absolutely be 455. Do you agree with that?

If he put out 2 black chips on top of the 55 it’s a call because one black chip didn’t fully cover a call.

Also, you don’t have to enforce every rule. You can and that’s your right, but sometimes when a fish clearly intended something else you can immediately verify with them what they are trying to do and let it slide. It’s called spirit of the game.

If a pro makes that mistake I’m enforcing it all day unless we are friends / friendly.