ClubGG Scam Info

You have UnitedPoker listed, the same people that control it left when the news hit and started massiv. Circle of strife

What happened with Half Tilt Tony??? The guy from there actually paid me the amount I had been scammed by another club in Massiv once. Was pretty cool they did that tbh. I assume they did it so id play under them, but never did as I am weary of Massiv still but overall kudos to that guy.

Played for 2 weeks in ClubGG and every single club is running house bots, there's collusion, etc...

The fact that the biggest union " Massiv" is full of bots tells you everything you need to know about the app

hi folks,

inb4 pls no "justice when playing on clubgg... etc"
long story short:
- deposit 1.5k on FISHTOPIA + 500 on HHH
- lost it and deposited another 1k
- won like 7k on FISHTOPIA + 1.5k on HHH in one month in a few MTTs
- FISHTOPIA owner "U won to much, we dont let u play anymore"
- never received the money + never received promoted rakeback (1 month ago) + he blocked me on telegram
- wrote "MassivUnion support"
--- they told me, they "looking into it" one month ago
--- "update today" 3 weeks ago
--- "update soon" 2 weeks ago
- at the same time FISHTOPIA owner tooked also my money on HHH, HHH owner also blocked me on telegram
- ALSO HHH joined the MassivUnion Network in this time frame (MassivUnion already had these informations)
--- "MassivUnion support" doesnt respond since 2 weeks

What's suspicious about your post is that you don't care to mention massive which obviously runs a huge bot ring...

I never had any issues with Yak or HalfTilt and neither have good friends. Have regged TMT union games for close to half a year now. Send proof please of them scamming if you have it

You ask them for proof and make an allegation of your own without proof lol.

Whole scenes got CTE, massiv the tourneys are soft but I still suspect it's mostly bots. The cash games are tragic

Hi y'all,

Obligatory acknowledgement of "clubs are shady, proceed at your own risk."

Recently had ~$7k in funds seized by Yakitori under the guise that one of my players was using RTA. No evidence was provided directly, Yakitori never contacted me or my player. My agent relayed that the funds had been seized and there was nothing they could do.

My agent was kind enough to settle some outstanding funds on his own pocket. If not for that, we would have been stuck 5 figures rather than $7k.

Do not do business with any clubs affiliated with TMT / Yakitori. If you are a winning player they will ban you and look for any reason to seize funds. If you're a loser, well, then they make out just fine.

I have a club within the union that Yaki runs. I was stuck in the middle of all this BS as Seemebreathe was an agent under one of my SuperAgents, so I guess I should give my side of things.

To start off, Yaki is one of the most upstanding guys I have met in this industry. Pays close attention to the tables to keep a safe, clean, and balanced space.

An old friend of mine who used to run the first union we ever joined asked me if he could join Yakis union with his own club. Yaki treads carefully and suggested he start by being an agent in my club to see how things go.

I wanted to help my friend out, so I added him as a Super Agent in my club. He promised that the players he would bring would be losing players.

This super agent added Seemebreathe as an agent under him. He and one of his players, Sculpture were BIG winning players. Many players started to complain so Yaki sent out a warning that these players may need to be limited or kicked. The warning was sent to the SuperAgent which said "This must be a run-good week, my players are fish and are normally losing, it should even out in the next couple of weeks"

After another 2 weeks, players continued to complain so Yaki requested these players be investigated. Using the Fair Game feature from GTO wizard, a catalog of hands was found matching the timeframes these were played in the club. Seemebreathe will say there is a discrepancy in the times, but I will let Yaki respond to that if he can, as I do not know much about that app.

To add, this investigation showed that Seemebreathe was previously removed from Yakis union for crusing in the past, but still decided to join under my Super Agent.

Now to finish this off and be clear about numbers, you say you were owed 7K? (funny how these numbers tend to inflate with posts like this). We had paid everything you were owed up until Monday. From Monday to Thursday, you were owed 11K. I sent 5K of that (Screenshot attached) so you were owed 6K. So when you say your agent took out of his own pocket, you mean my pocket right?

Final thoughts:

1. This person (Seemebreathe) inflates his numbers and doesn't give the full story.
2. Other people who have mentioned bad things about Yaki on this thread have had responses of others that call BS as they don't share that same experience.
3. This person was kicked from the union before and disregarded. This alone is grounds for taking chips.
4. We found the played hands in the fair play feature from GTO Wizard. Not only did we find these hands but his "losing players" played the hand exactly how GTO Wizard instructed.
5. My friend who super agent I think has nothing to do with this. Just like me, stuck in the middle of some BS situation.
6. Funds were taken to give back to the players that were cheated. There is someone else mentioning above that Tony (a club owner in this union) had actually given chips back to a player who was cheated, so that also adds up and aligns with how Yaki runs his club.

I was in a union that was recently dissolved (KFG). The partners of the dissolved union (UpRoar) recommended I join Massiv. Below is the message I sent to our players regarding the Massiv union and how they operate after the short time we were with them.

Hello Club Members,

You may have noticed the absence of the wild jackpots and intense tournaments. We believe in full transparency, so we want to explain what’s been happening behind the scenes:

Recently, our previous poker union was unexpectedly dissolved, forcing us into a new union called MASSV (Code: 4817). I had played there in the past and had concerns about their operations. Despite my reservations, I was assured by our old union contacts—who had always been trustworthy—that MASSV was safe and free from bots. They vouched for it, promising it would be a good fit for us, so I took a leap of faith.

Unfortunately, after observing their tables and receiving complaints from many of you, it’s become clear that foul play is present in this union. Here’s what we’ve found based on player feedback and my own observations:

1. **Low Buy-ins with High VPIP Pressure**: The tables are set up with low max buy-ins, high antes, and high VPIP, forcing players to go all in more frequently.

2. Bot-Dominated Tables: Many seats are filled by “union players” who play with virtual chips rather than real money. These bots/prop-players are programmed/given instructions to play aggressively with any suited cards, connectors, AX, pairs, and face cards.

3. Stacked Odds Against Players: While you might win a hand or two, the setup heavily favors the union’s bots/prop-players, leading to long-term losses for genuine players.

4. Slots-Style Play: These bots/prop-players aren’t designed to win; they’re designed to create a slot-machine effect, making tables volatile and unpredictable.

5. Unrealistic Jackpots and Overlays: The high Bad Beat Jackpot (BBJP) and substantial tournament overlays result from the bot-heavy player base, with few real players in the mix.

6. Inconsistent Play Style: The tables are filled with players going all-in on hands like 3-4 suited at a 5/10 table—behavior inconsistent with real, skilled players. The sheer volume of hands and hours these bots/prop-players play doesn’t align with typical player activity.

These bot/prop-players companies have approached our club before and we've obviously rejected them as we have a love for the game and want to keep this fun. These companies shared the exact system we observed and described above. So I can know for certain there was foul play.

It's sad that we have to deal with this, but know that we have your best interest at hand. We started this club as a joke to play poker with our friends while we take a ****. Now that we've grow, we have the responsibility to do what's right & provide the most fair, safe game possible.

I appreciate your patience and apologize for any frustration this has caused. We’re committed to providing a fair, safe playing environment and will be making necessary changes to restore that standard.

Thank you for being part of our club, and for sharing your experiences to help us ensure the best for everyone. We are committed to doing what is right.

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I used to be an agent for Yak and I can confirm that there was zero suspicious stuff going on, Yak is a great guy as he's for the people honestly. When it comes to Yakitori or Halftilt there was never a situation or story I've heard about them being the bad guy and I've been in this business for a while. Soon enough I was able to move on from Yaks club and start my own club in TMT, and they did NOT disappoint! Costumer service is great, they're goal is basically to provide a safe place for online poker which they have done a great job. I will be honest I had my suspicions before talking to some of the club owners in there and they guaranteed me that if I want what's best for the players/better data changes that TMT is the place to be 😀

Can’t really say too much as my opinion is just based on my intuition as a player. But TMT feels like the best, cleanest, most realistic tables I’ve played on GG at least in a long while now. I’ve seen some negative posts on here and I think reddit? Seems very artificial to me. Probably either a disgruntled agent acting in bad faith after being banned for doing something nefarious, or a competitor union/club.

Why is it that whenever there is a negative post about TMT union on reddit or two plus two, all the shills with zero or questionable post history come out in droves? Seems to be a recurring pattern. Anyway, I have nothing to really comment on any of the unions mentioned here but I have played (and won) in almost all clubgg unions including Uproar, KFG, Jokerworld, Massiv, WhalesClub, Chip Champion, Paradise, and TMT. They all had or have their positives and negatives in my personal experience

The important thing in my opinion in situations like this, is the union should provide the full hand histories that triggered the GTO wizard fair play check and provide screenshot evidence of the shared devices and ip addresses if the account was banned before. This is all basic stuff and very easy to show and prove if there is nothing shady going on.

There's so much crap in the app space. So many people flinging baseless accusations, and an equal amount of shill/alt accounts doing obvious shilling to protect their own self interests. Let's get back to people providing actual concrete evidence and data.

I posted as my club was involved and I asked other members of the union to comment. It makes sense for people that stand behind a good union and people to answer a BS complaint. Don’t we all want all sides of the story?

I also agree with you and have asked Yaki to post the hands here.

jfc you're sock puppeting for it now, major red flag

I am just a forum lurker my friend, thats how I find places to play. People should be allowed to express their opinions without being accused of shilling. I disclosed my statement by just saying it was based on “vibes” as a player.

When a union/club is strict, I don’t think its a stretch to assume that bad actors do smear it, as they can’t operate there, and porportionally it eats a lot of the rec market share. Given how the action “feels” there, thats what I believe to be the case. I won’t defend any shilling in response from the union management, I believe that happens a lot too. Forum threads seem to often be just a lot of smoke and mirrors, which can totally go both ways I get it.

Just saying no one should be going by a nickname, let alone a nickname of "Yak' when handling large sums of money in a fully trust based online ecosystem. Unless Im just unaware and his irl name is common knowledge, but for all you ppl out there know who youre doing business with. Especially if you arent even sending them deposits to their irl named zelle etc but are sending to some randos. While yes it makes total sense why someone would want to be anon while doing this, at the same time there are so many well known and established ppl in the private app space that have their actual reputations tied to their dealings. Whose more likely to scum you, some guy with a nickname thats another word for puke, or someone who does live commentary for big streams?

Are the hands going to be posted?

No, because there was no cheating.

The update is: after this post was made, the hands were reviewed further. Yaki came back and admitted that there was no cheating. I have just now been paid in full.

I am very skeptical I would have been paid if I had not gone nuclear. That being said, despite the aggressive tone that was taken with me, I was ultimately paid out.

One of the club runners, who I will not name out of caution for my safety, personally threatened me. He apologized, then sent me my full name and an old address as a way to intimidate me. Then, apologized again?

I can post screenshots but frankly just want to put this **** show behind me. Play in the union at your own risk.

This is a great point and personally believe I shoulder some fault for not doing my due diligence. For context, he goes by Yakitori, which is a type of cuisine.

The scary reality is most people playing in these clubs have no idea of the hierarchy and liability that spans beyond their individual agent. It's a lesson I've clearly learned the hard way.

For what it's worth, no one in this space is truly anon. There are leaks everywhere, whether its in use of their ewallets, not protecting the domains on a website, sharing a personal detail with another player, etc. It's mainly the fact that they don't operate in broad daylight that keeps anyone from looking them up.

This has been giant reminder to stay away from unregulated games and always protect yourself.

You like to stretch the truth don’t you?

If there was cheating you weren’t getting paid. Hands were reviewed and you got what is owed. Nothing to do with you “going nuclear”. Trust me, many that have cheated have gone way more “nuclear” and haven’t seen a penny.

I posted your address as you got way out of control and condescending. It was a reminder to be careful who you try to **** with online.

If we make mistakes, we make it right. We are here to have fun and not get ****ed over or **** anyone over.

Good luck to you my friend, thanks for posting the update.

Here is an update for the 9k$ scam of FISHTOPIA + HenHouseHoldem + MASIV Union Support

looks like support had get a piece of it. So scaming is fine.

What can you all tell me about “Chip Champion” Union? Clean as a whistle or anything I need to know?