RNG serious question and discussion

1.Definitely has always been possible.
2. I think most sites randomize the entire deck at the start of hand, but it could be implemented differently on each site.
3. You would have to assume a non-random sequence would be detectable, but depends how it would be implemented.
4. no way to tell.. I would say they could not easily turn a blind eye to attempted corruption/bribing as it would put their legitimacy and the people that work for the organization in question.

And I don't believe any current major poker site is rigged I just give my views.

Thank you very much for the clear answers.

for point 1 , yeah that's why it would be great for someone like a coffeezilla to do a deep investigation about online poker. Poker sites say they use RNG and explains briefly how it work but honestly , that is the most info we have on it. We play wishing we are in a safe environement but there is clearly no way it seems to be sure if we are indeed playing in a safe environement or if we are being hidden a bunch of stuff.

for point 3 , it's just base on what I personally saw at omaha tables (of course crazy variance) of seeing abc type players playing 10 tables non stop ,all of a sudden milking pots and putting half their stack preflop against my aces for me to get annihilated on turn and river. Just you know , things that can't be proven and say : here is the ultimate proof there is some something shady going on! But you know what you have seen , the timing when you start running really bad and the overall feeling that something is wrong.

So anyway thanks again and I'm wondering , what would be considered the most complete investigative video on the subject of RNG and poker sites availlable right now?

Agree with points 1-3. With point 4, I'll simply say that I lean towards corruption being the norm.

It doesn't matter what system you look at; corruption seems rampant. Police Department? Corruption nets you a promotion. School teachers? Nets you free lightbulbs and anything else they steal + a lot of teachers are nasty people. (one near me was doing cocaine with the high schoolers - which I think goes beyond the normal nasty you'd expect. One was caught watching xxx on school computers...specifically cheerleader xxx...and he had a window facing where the cheerleaders practiced).

You name the system, and it's probably corrupt.

There are also probably plenty of examples of non-corruption, but usually it ends with '..and the good, honest person was fired'.

Cop stops cop from violating citizens rights? Fired. Cop helps break a citizens nose for existing? Promoted.

Teacher helps a low income family out with school supplies? Ostracized by fellow teachers, treated like they shot someone.

Good people get stomped on, corrupt ones get $ and respect.

I don't want to be a pessimist, and this is my personal experience, but it seems if you take a good hard look around; good people get bent over and nasty people get it all.

As far as I'm aware there is no study to suggest anything unusual about the randomness on current major sites. People do mass data analysis on millions of hands and nothing unusual has occurred or we would hear about it. I know previously there was a site that was giving too few buttons to players in their fast format (I forget the site name so I wont guess), and that was a big deal so if there was a non-random hand distribution we would definitely know about it. I think it's fair to ask your questions as its your money but people have been asking same questions for decades now. I have played 1m+ hands in my life and gone from losing player to winning at micros after a lot of study and seen all kinds of crazy hands but I've never thought it was rigged ever.

I have a feeling someone is having issues with their teacher haha.

1.) Aces in PLO are not strong as in NLHE.

2.) I've seen situations, where colluders have made it blatant that they are colluding after one of them loses a big pot and it looks similar to how you're describing the action. One of them loses a stack at an otherwise TAG table. Then 3-4 people suddenly start spewing chips like apes with non-made hands, and trying to get as much action into pot preflop as possible. (I'm not including instances where the person who lost the stack is the one to get aggro; because usually if it's just that person -> It's tilt)

Here's the scam. They are playing together, you or someone at the table beats them. Now they have one goal. To get all the bb back that was taken. So now they begin using tactics like *whipsawing*. They will raise all the way to river to get you out of the hand. This is how they make that bb back that was lost. It's highly effective; don't take the bait. If they 3b like crazy, sit out and watch if you must, or simply hit fold. Eventually they will stop, and if they don't, by folding you lose minimum value, then leave table.

If, however you adapt to their increased aggression, and still beat them...they will all instantly log off together. It's unlikely you will beat them by blindly calling their all ins. You essentially need a nutted or high outs hand, but when you do continue to ragdoll them, they will further highlight their collusion by logging together.

Thanks for your answer. Yes indeed aces are very fragile in plo. I took a long break from Omaha and poker in general . I knew it when I stopped and now I’m playing them even more cautious.

But yeah often on gg after you had a great run , you just call a raise with weak aces to have the nitty regs going all crazy at the same time in a scenario like you describe. Lets say its plo25 , its now 10$ to call preflop , you just either go all in or fold at this point. Because against 3-4 players , you will most likely lose and you can only use the secure cashout option when you are a 60 something % favorite on gg I think.

I only play on stars now, lot less traffic but still plenty of games if you want to add plo5 and 6. You can use the cashout options at all time as well when all in preflop or flop. So it saves you from a lot of bad spots when you can just get out with a Small profit.

If I understand you correctly; they have an equity option?

Would you mind explaining how it works? Does it take into account the other persons hand? Ie; You have 33 and board is k3T, you take the equity option on an all in, and other guy turns over KK in his hand. Would you get the equity without knowing what the opponent has, or is it calculated based on what both of you have?

Seems like a good way to remove variance if you're always taking exactly what your equity is.

On stars, all players must be all in and yes you have a cashout option either if the all in is preflop, on flop or in the turn. So let’s say for your exemple of the 33 vs kk all in on flop you described both the kk and 33 will be presented a cashout option. The kk will be presented the option to take around 90% of the pot and the 33 around 10% depending on the suits and what other players had in their hands etc. Stars keep a little % a well (because of course).

So in another spot were you have lets say A A 10 J all in in Omaha against two other players who decided to go crazy and put it all in the middle preflop , you can chose to cashout at often around 40-48% of the entire pot before even seeing any cards. Of course you lose a bunch of the money in the middle when your hand hold up but seriously , I’m over a couple 100s on stars having using the cashout option a lot. If I would have only decided to run it, I would be down big time.