RNG serious question and discussion

RNG serious question and discussion

Hello , first post here but I played poker for a long long time and been reading here a lot.

I don't want to enter the rigged or not rigged debate, the you're just not good enough at the game thing or they have no interest manipulating the rng , they already make millions in rake, huge variance is part of the game. We all heard it before.

I want to keep it as informative as possible.

I would like to know, with todays technology, if it's plenty possible for a big poker company to manipulate the card distribution system. (I don't want to know if it's in their best interest to do it)
Just can they?
On the technical side : when you play a hand in a multiway pot going on the river, the way the rng work, the fact that you fold or call, does it impact what the generated card will be?

Can a long term regular player on the site that play everyday , detect a pattern on the rng and make better decisions because of it than the occasional player.

The comissions regulating them and checking the poker website , are they 100% legit or can easily turn a blind eye on shady doing for the right amount of money.

So there it is , all the stuff I would like to have a discussion about.

Thank you

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22 January 2025 at 03:31 PM
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1.Definitely has always been possible.
2. I think most sites randomize the entire deck at the start of hand, but it could be implemented differently on each site.
3. You would have to assume a non-random sequence would be detectable, but depends how it would be implemented.
4. no way to tell.. I would say they could not easily turn a blind eye to attempted corruption/bribing as it would put their legitimacy and the people that work for the organization in question.

And I don't believe any current major poker site is rigged I just give my views.


by Burkeman k

1.Definitely has always been possible.
2. I think most sites randomize the entire deck at the start of hand, but it could be implemented differently on each site.
3. You would have to assume a non-random sequence would be detectable, but depends how it would be implemented.
4. no way to tell.. I would say they could not easily turn a blind eye to attempted corruption/bribing as it would put their legitimacy and the people that work for the organization in question.

And I don't believe any current m

Thank you very much for the clear answers.

for point 1 , yeah that's why it would be great for someone like a coffeezilla to do a deep investigation about online poker. Poker sites say they use RNG and explains briefly how it work but honestly , that is the most info we have on it. We play wishing we are in a safe environement but there is clearly no way it seems to be sure if we are indeed playing in a safe environement or if we are being hidden a bunch of stuff.

for point 3 , it's just base on what I personally saw at omaha tables (of course crazy variance) of seeing abc type players playing 10 tables non stop ,all of a sudden milking pots and putting half their stack preflop against my aces for me to get annihilated on turn and river. Just you know , things that can't be proven and say : here is the ultimate proof there is some something shady going on! But you know what you have seen , the timing when you start running really bad and the overall feeling that something is wrong.

So anyway thanks again and I'm wondering , what would be considered the most complete investigative video on the subject of RNG and poker sites availlable right now?


by Burkeman k

4. no way to tell.. I would say they could not easily turn a blind eye to attempted corruption/bribing as it would put their legitimacy and the people that work for the organization in question.

Agree with points 1-3. With point 4, I'll simply say that I lean towards corruption being the norm.

It doesn't matter what system you look at; corruption seems rampant. Police Department? Corruption nets you a promotion. School teachers? Nets you free lightbulbs and anything else they steal + a lot of teachers are nasty people. (one near me was doing cocaine with the high schoolers - which I think goes beyond the normal nasty you'd expect. One was caught watching xxx on school computers...specifically cheerleader xxx...and he had a window facing where the cheerleaders practiced).

You name the system, and it's probably corrupt.

There are also probably plenty of examples of non-corruption, but usually it ends with '..and the good, honest person was fired'.

Cop stops cop from violating citizens rights? Fired. Cop helps break a citizens nose for existing? Promoted.

Teacher helps a low income family out with school supplies? Ostracized by fellow teachers, treated like they shot someone.

Good people get stomped on, corrupt ones get $ and respect.

I don't want to be a pessimist, and this is my personal experience, but it seems if you take a good hard look around; good people get bent over and nasty people get it all.


by MarathonRunner40 k

Thank you very much for the clear answers.
for point 3 , it's just base on what I personally saw at omaha tables (of course crazy variance) of seeing abc type players playing 10 tables non stop ,all of a sudden milking pots and putting half their stack preflop against my aces for me to get annihilated on turn and river. Just you know , things that can't be proven and say : here is the ultimate proof there is some something shady going on! But you know what you have seen , the timing when you star

As far as I'm aware there is no study to suggest anything unusual about the randomness on current major sites. People do mass data analysis on millions of hands and nothing unusual has occurred or we would hear about it. I know previously there was a site that was giving too few buttons to players in their fast format (I forget the site name so I wont guess), and that was a big deal so if there was a non-random hand distribution we would definitely know about it. I think it's fair to ask your questions as its your money but people have been asking same questions for decades now. I have played 1m+ hands in my life and gone from losing player to winning at micros after a lot of study and seen all kinds of crazy hands but I've never thought it was rigged ever.


by Lucy's Fur k

Agree with points 1-3. With point 4, I'll simply say that I lean towards corruption being the norm.

School teachers Nets you free lightbulbs and anything else they steal + a lot of teachers are nasty people. (one near me was doing cocaine with the high schoolers - which I think goes beyond the normal nasty you'd expect. One was caught watching xxx on school computers...specifically cheerleader xxx...and he had a window facing where the cheerleaders practiced).

I have a feeling someone is having issues with their teacher haha.

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