***Official H&F LC Thread***

cliffs on the debate, i grunch paragraphs in h&f

You’re an Idiot!

No, you’re an idiot!

Actually I think you’re an idiot too

Repeat

Thremp,

So I guess that's a 'no' on explaining what you think my racist view on sunscreen is and why you think it is racist? I am disappointed.

Maybe you went back and read it again? Good call. Or maybe you'll get to it eventually. I'll keep hoping for a Christmas miracle. I really wanted to read how you were gonna twist yourself into a pretzel.

Anyway, I'm sorry you have felt so neglected. Everyone knows (except you apparently) that Melk doesn't ignore questions on purpose. That is, in part, how the term Melking came to be.

As I had suggested earlier, I was mostly occupied with Rich Muny's ridiculous text walls. This may be hard to believe, but even I have limits to amount of daily shietposting I can do. I have barely glanced at anything not posted by Muny in the last several weeks in this thread. Please do let me know if I have missed anything else. I did notice some Dunyain text walls, and I'm probably going have a look at those at some point because there is a high chance of hilarity.

I do have some great news for you, though. It looks like that is winding down, so I've got more time for you, buddy. When I said, that "I'm not sure I disagree all that much with above" I was talking about the race/IQ issue as well as it was also "above".

Given your newly acquired reading disability and the extra time I've got, I'm going to make it even clearer for you. It's your lucky day!

My view on race and intelligence is fairly mainstream. If we are looking at the differences in an IQ test score or something like that, there is good evidence that Blacks score lower than Whites. It is by a significant margin. Significantly greater than the margin I believe exists between the average Trump voter and Kamala voter. As is the prevailing belief in the scientific community that studies this stuff, I also believe that this difference is almost entirely due to environmental factors (same is true for the Harris/Trump voter difference, imo). Nevertheless, the difference is real and does exist.

As Black people are a relatively small amount of the population (<15%) and some of them vote for Trump (likely the dumbest ones, but even that doesn't have to necessarily be the case) it is possible for both of those IQ differences between groups to be present simultaneously. This is also something I explained earlier.

Hey Melk,

Given my reading disability, can you quantify "good" and "significant". As I described in the 4th iteration, please use the same scale as you did for the Trump/Kamala.

I did enjoy you burying the half-answer in a wall of text and also blatantly lying about the "scientific consensus". But once you can answer this nearly 3 week old question we can move on.

Alright, hater nerds. Bloodwork 4 rollz. lol @ montecore. 2500 mg test. Literally a facking vial a week. Bloodwork looking best it's ever looked. The worst it ever looked was a much smaller miligram amount of 750mg-1g test 600mg deca and being fat (omg were not fat you have distorted standards from body dysmorphia from bodybuilding!1!)

Discrepancy between a1c and fasted blood glucose explained. My fasted blood glucose was 82 during a surplus, but rises considerably when I start a deficit and now I understand why.

Thremp was saying something about gyno surgery blah blah blah that's why you can tolerate a ton of test you're imagining things thinking you don't aromatize as much as a regular person. Well, he's not wrong in that having had my glands cut out definitely prevents me from getting gyno symptoms with high estrogen, but I don't even have high estrogen. It's out of the reference range, sure, but what matters is the estrogen to free test and estrogen to dht ratio in whether or not you end up with high estrogen symptoms. I'm taking half of an arimidex twice a week. 2 full tabs a week was too much and I had low estro symptoms.

TLDR: Bioidentical hormones. High test and high GH. The rest of it is all FPS when it comes to anabolic steroids. Use that fancy stuff when you're going to get on stage or on the powerlifting platform and you're 12 weeks out. Orals at 4 weeks out for the bodybuilders and around 6-8 weeks out for the strength athletes. Stay lean. do cardio. Make your own food. Boatloads of fruit daily. Don't eat like a ****ing hippo.

I realize I'm posting this stuff as if any of you are remotely interested in being enhanced bbers, which is obviously not the case but I feel incline to write to whoever is reading my posts as if it were the case. Enjoy your marathons, weekend beers, being literally 7 feet tall, and nagging wives. I'll be pinning test pool side in the land without winters after my morning 10k step fasted brisk walk on yohimbine cialis and black coffee with enough stevia to give me cancer

looks like you're ovulating

technically so is every other male in the normal estrodial range

for the amount of test I'm on, "normal" would be around 80-110 to be hormonally balanced (the absolute amount of e2 isn't relevant, it's the ratios of e2 to other sex hormones) and anything lower is going to cause some joint pain/dryness/low estro symptoms. I'm very far below that on a very small dose of AI which I probably need to drop entirely.

oh one thing though: I can't keep taking metformin. It's messing up my gut. Don't wanna give the TMI but if you know you know. Sucks b/c it's a great medication for appetite suppression and insulin sensitivity, but ultimately if it comes at the cost of gut dysbiosis it isn't really worth the tradeoff if you're already ending up at the low end of normal A1c when not pushing a deficit very hard and "cutting softly".

I stopped homebrewing about 2 months ago because it was frustrating and time consuming and prices for finished oils have come down even more. My homebrews were consistently resulting in high readings on CRP. It's probably because I was buying bullshit quality solvents and carrier oils from taobao instead of actually importing medical grade carrier oils. I mean obviously my benzyl benzoate/benzyl alcohol were medical grade, but chinese medical grade and lol China. My home brewing skills stayed about the same but everyone else in the game got considerably better. I'm kind of amazed at how some labs are able to make steroids that have very thin and easy to draw/pin carrier oils that also cause little or no post injection pain or lumps. My own brews I could make them very thick and painless or I could make them thin but somewhat painful. Either way, I never got my crp down this low and I'm about 95% sure it was because I was a shitty chemist not putting enough effort into sourcing my carrier oils and solvents.

The "bathtub" era is over, unfortunately. (I didn't use the bathtub, I work at fancy international schools that have well equipped sanitary chemistry labs and nobody cares or notices if you go use it on the weekend...)

Man, if you had a wife who's ovulatory e2 readings were not even in the triple digits... it's over. You got an ice queen. Don't even bother trying to have your needs met; she's hormonally incapable of empathizing with your need for intimacy. Just get a few side chicks or divorce ASAP. She's the woody allen movie character who says the line that goes something like this "We have sex ALL THE TIME, like ONCE A WEEK!!!"

**** that's actually a good way to discern if your wife or girlfriend's lack of sexual interest is because she legit has low libido or if she's just not physically attracted to you. Ya'll know how these btches be, they getting all gfed and wifed up for strictly utilitarian reasons while considering having sex with their romantic partner literally a burden while lusting after unattainable chads. Dat just how it be. Gotta figure out if it's her or you. Actually no, you really don't need to figure it out.
just divorce/breakup/side chicks in any order it doesn't matter really.

ban melk ban muny. Or make them make another thread this is unreadable I'm tryna save our precious lc thread from the worst debate question of all time by posting fairly strange and outrageous things in a fake-confrontational semi serious semi trolling mismatched idiosyncratic tone.

you are the unattainable chad now who can bang all the unhappy wives

Guy,

I was trying to get Melk to use the N word. Then again I'd prob set the line on his evasion at 9.5 posts. We at 5.

Also, my comment about your moobs was more in the line of "Bro, you had a reaction to excess test. You should know people have different sensitivities!" and not whatever you edgelorded above or "Man, that brown man with nice teddies. I can't wait to rub my weenus in between them and titty **** the **** out of them."

Merry Christmas!

lmmaaaoooo, love it.

i had bad gyno by 13. peds def didn't help and made it notably worse.

tren, nandrolone, dbol, anadrol, etc are probably causing gyno waaaayyy more than bestosterone. had i avoided these and done test plus gh from the jump, i may have avoided worsening gyno. still woulda gotten the surgery.

alas, internet PED knowledge 10 years ago was laughably bad. like ive said in other posts, ”bodybuilding technology“ wrt pharmacology including not just PEDs, but health and prophylactic medication advanced more in the past ten years than it did from the 70s to 2010s. It's showing at the top levels with current mr olympia competitors mogging those from 10years ago. Samson Derek Or Hadi would wipe the floor with prime Ronnie and beat prime Phil but bya smaller margin. And if you widen out to top 16 its just no contest. I am sure their healthspans have concurrently improved.

thoughts on arnold's mr olympia run?

politics. be prob shoulda won 5 of those. the mentzer theft was bad. cbum>arnold in terms of mainstream crossover. Zane>arnold overall

Often the way though. Haney shouldn’t have won his last one. Flex should have taken one off Dorian

Weider thought it was good for business to have a dominant Mr O

I'm tryna troll montecore but it's not working and now that I've said Im just trying to troll him it will really not work. My iq is too low. Oh well, the man's too busy to play into my bullshit its cool he's an adult with real responsibilities.

Frankly, Rickroll and anyone else, old school bodybuilding kinda sucks. The 90s were good, the 2000-2018 was the dark age pregnant cow look days, and 2018-present has been the peak of bodybuilding thats become way better and more entertaining than any other era and also considerably healthier. I suspect guys who were active around 2000-2018 will have relatively poor mortality, and then in the future the guys active now will have longevity much better than NFL/NBA/MMA/PL or comparable sports.

Anyway classic physique HD footage from this year's olympia just got posted on NPC/IFBB official youtubes. They have a pretty bad media team and should really be releasing this stuff no more than 4 weeks after the event. Instead their channel is filled with 4 minute irrelevant interview clips so if you sub to them get ready for spam interviews of bikini overall winners at the NPC Midwestern Regional Championships instead of actual real show coverage. As huge as bodybuilding is, it saddens me that all the best media people surrounding it are short form content creators on instagram rather than just filming big shows with 3-5 cameras, doing a bit of editting post production for about 2 hours, and throwing it up on youtube.

the production quality/lighting/camera work is actually amazing in the above video and I shouldn't be complaining, better late than never.

Dorian probably only deserved 4 of those wins, arguably 3. Nasser and Flex should have taken two of his, Kevin Arguably one but its closer in that case.

Weider was not great. Jim Manion was also not great but less corrupt, just kind of aesthetically blind with judging standards. Tyler Manion has been doing an amazing job with judging and overall management of the IFBB and is thrusting us right back into the mainstream. bodybuilding was very uncool 2000-2018 and frankly it was for good reason. Bodybuilding is very cool again largely due to Tyler Manion leading the IFBB and CBUM drawing in so many mainstream eyeballs into the sport.

Always happy to accommodate the differently abled to the best of my ability.

I'm sorry "significant" isn't good enough for you. I'm not sure I can accurately quantify it more without actually researching it. Can't be arsed up to do that right now I'm afraid. It's substantial. Perhaps if you are able to articulate a reason why this is relevant to anything, that might be helpful. If we're talking about good as in "good evidence", I don't know how the fack you expect that to be quantified. If you're talking about my confidence in the conclusion, then it's >9.5 on a scale of 10.

Well, that's the downside of not reading text walls. Sometimes you miss stuff. On the other hand, reading them is a facking chore, so, I definitely get it.

LOL wat. I'm pretty sure that is indeed the consensus. Like all things you can find some evidence to the contrary, but the mainstream view is that the difference is mostly environmental. Here's a source with some helpful citations that you can attempt to read to the best of your ability.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_i...

I'm still hoping for that Christmas miracle where you explain to me what you think my view on sunscreen use is and why it is racist. If you have some time, that would be great.

Emoken,

Unfortunately, I have not had time to read all of the stuff you posted on this. The politarding in this thread has taken up most the the bandwidth that I care to devote to the H&F LC. Apologies if you have already answered this elsewhere. If it's appetite suppression that you want, why not GLP-1 agonists like semaglutide or tirzepatide. No doubt you considered them. So why were you doing Metformin instead?

I'll cop to that, but you're forgetting our good buddy Thremp. Muny and I seem to be mostly done. Thremp apparently can't read, so he missed my response to his question, and is now trying to come up with some sort of revisionist narrative, because he knows that no one will actually read these text wall and determine that he is full of shiet. That has taken up many posts.

Of course, he's now doing exactly what he accused me of on some idiotic claim that he made which I asked him about (just take my word for it...or read the last few pages; I'd recommend the former strongly). Anyway, just let me have a bit of fun with Thremp and I'll promise to do my best to keep the H&F politarding to a minimum in the future. In my defense it had been a long time since this most recent episode.

I just got access to retatrutide, 3rd generation GLP1 in clinical trials. Starting in march with contest prep. It is tirzepatide + something that improves blood sugar regulation and it does this so well with minimal gastric side effects such that it is even useful in offseason (in much smaller doses) for maintaining/improving insulin sensitivity and blood glucose control to an even greater extent than metformin.

Check Chase Irons youtube channel for literal hours of Q+A livestreams on GLP1s for bodybuilders.

I had ozempic but was kinda scared of nausea side effects so kept it dormant in the fridge during this slow-cut. I'm not so scared of tirzepatide or retatrutide.

"The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence for a genetic component behind IQ differences between racial groups.[142][143][144][145][141][146][147][148][60] Growing evidence indicates that environmental factors, not genetic ones, explain the racial IQ gap.[39][141][149][146]"

this doesn't make a lot of sense to me because race IS literally just a manifestation of different environments selecting for different genes. I have no idea why libs/people in gender believe that evolution and selective pressure suddenly ceased to exist (evidence suggests that modernity has only accelerated the rate of human evolution), nor why different ethnicities in the same country with different cultures and environments wouldn't similarly manifest different selective pressures... That is to say, the correlates and causes to reproductive success among ghetto black neighbourhoods vary wildly from what indicates reproductive success among Chinese-Americans in wealthy Californian communities. You're creating some weird dichotomy between genes and environment that doesn't tell the story; environment informs genes.

unless you're suggesting that this is within an individual's lifespan when you say "environmental factors" which is just libcuck cope. Twin studies just cocksmack this hairbrained idea into the netherrealm. Science is often politicized and this would be literally the number one place for it to be politicized to avoid an uncomfortable truth.

BTW this question is actually interesting. "who's smarter Kamala voter or trump voter" is the dumbest question ever.