"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread

"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread

It's been about 9.5 years and 350K posts of epicness, but "It Lives, It Lives" can live no more. The OG LLSNL Chat Thre

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29 November 2019 at 06:28 PM
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Yeah, that's not going to happen. I hate stoner movies even worse than jingoistic ones.

On the previous subject, fiction writers who also write biographies are the absolute worst. I think I may have posted ITT about the guy who wrote the Westward Ho series having also written a bio of a guy I'm studying. In the bio, the guy makes a bunch of crap up and claims he found it in an obscure bio that turns out not only to not include any of the crap he made up, but also to be about a totally different person by the same name who wasn't even alive at the time the original guy lived.


All auto-biographies contain "stretches" as Mark Twain put it in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn". Changing the stories to make them more popular has been around for longer than Shakespeare adding Falstaff in multiple of his "Histories." Not because he was an active player in many of the stories, but because he was hugely popular as a character and his presence would increase sales.

This isn't a flaw in the process, but a feature.


by venice10 k

All auto-biographies contain "stretches" as Mark Twain put it in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn". Changing the stories to make them more popular has been around for longer than Shakespeare adding Falstaff in multiple of his "Histories." Not because he was an active player in many of the stories, but because he was hugely popular as a character and his presence would increase sales.

This isn't a flaw in the process, but a feature.

That’s a false parallel.

An auto biography is supposed to be a first person re-telling of true life events. Not a fictional retelling of a historical event.

There’s a difference between adding a personal lens and perhaps being revisionist with sequences or adding perspective or reasons that might not have been obvious at the time and introducing new characters or re-creating history


You guys read books? Lol. Nerds.

Skip likes the ones with pictures and coloring pages.


Anyone know the poker situation in Dallas? Are games legal now? Are they relatively safe, etc? Planning a guys trip and we are considering this location.

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Games appear to be pretty legal, lol. They're advertising on billboards and on the radio locally. I guess the legality depends on the local DA's opinion though as Tarrant County (Fort Worth) shut down the rooms that were here.

The most popular room is TCH Social, which is the newest and sister room to TCH Dallas. Social is in Las Colinas and has pretty much all of the bigger games and most of the PLO in town. There are a couple of other rooms but I rarely see them with more than a couple of tables and have never been to any of them. TCH Dallas is at the far north end of what used to be, maybe still is, the main hooker drive and all that comes with that. There's been talk of how safe it is in the Venue thread, I think. I wouldn't want to walk anywhere from there, day or night, with a ton of cash on me, but there is plenty of armed security and I've never felt unsafe, I just wouldn't walk anywhere. Social is in a mid to high end shopping center and is a nice, safe area.

What else? Are you guys coming here just for poker or is that secondary? I haven't played in Houston or Austin but I think if I were planning a trip to Texas just for poker I might look down there before Dallas.


Poker is secondary

It’s a trip to cheer up a buddy going through a bad divorce.

We will hit the links, drink too much, eat too much and lose a few buy ins.

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by miamicheats k

It’s a trip to cheer up a buddy going through a bad divorce.

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Maybe I should come then?


by feel wrath k

Maybe I should come then?

Sorry to hear things are not going well still. Are you splitting up or is it status quo?

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by feel wrath k

Maybe I should come then?

Sorry to hear, hopefully things take a better turn.


we're all rooting for you


separating for sure. Currently in the same house which is fine because we have a self contained studio on the ground floor. And alternating days when we manage the kids.

Wife has rehab next month and after that she will move out as a prelude to us going for full separation, selling the house etc


by rickroll k

we're all rooting for you

This is useful, as I’m not doing any rooting.


by feel wrath k

separating for sure. Currently in the same house which is fine because we have a self contained studio on the ground floor. And alternating days when we manage the kids.

Wife has rehab next month and after that she will move out as a prelude to us going for full separation, selling the house etc

Sorry brother- I’m sure it feels awful, but things will get better once the bandaid is off and some time passes. Take it from someone who’s been divorced.

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by feel wrath k

separating for sure. Currently in the same house which is fine because we have a self contained studio on the ground floor. And alternating days when we manage the kids.

Wife has rehab next month and after that she will move out as a prelude to us going for full separation, selling the house etc

Really sorry to hear. Glglgl.

How are the kids taking it?


by Donat3llo k

Really sorry to hear. Glglgl.

How are the kids taking it?

the girls are 18 and 16 and are sad but get it. To be honest, I think wife's deterioration into drinking and everything that goes with it has been more of an issue and will be moving forward. Albeit when we have to sell the house and move to way worse accommodation and they have to start choosing who to live with it might hit home a lot more

not sure about the boy who is 13 and what he gets/doesn't get yet. he's the one we'll have to be more careful with...particularly again when we split physically. it will be disruptive for him in a few ways


Hopefully rehab can change the direction you're heading.


Sorry to hear that news, feel wrath. Hope things turn out well for you in the long term.


I am sorry to hear the rough news Feely. Hopefully your woman gets her miracle this stint in rehab. It just takes a single moment of clarity at the right time for it to happen.


thanks boys. I 100% hope she can get on top of her issues because she’s a great girl and everyone should want their kids to have a mother who is present, together and reliable etc.

but I think it’s too late for our marriage. The stuff that happens to normal people’s behaviour when addiction hits is deep and broad. And for me that means too many years of thinking I have 0 partners and 4 children. Hard to ever think of her as an equal/someone I can trust again.


has anone read Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

was it worth?


by feel wrath k

That’s a false parallel.

An auto biography is supposed to be a first person re-telling of true life events. Not a fictional retelling of a historical event.

There’s a difference between adding a personal lens and perhaps being revisionist with sequences or adding perspective or reasons that might not have been obvious at the time and introducing new characters or re-creating history

Auto-biography is treated as fiction, or at least that was so remarked in literature class. A scholarly bio is more interesting, as it purports to not be telling a story.

by feel wrath k

separating for sure. Currently in the same house which is fine because we have a self contained studio on the ground floor. And alternating days when we manage the kids.

Wife has rehab next month and after that she will move out as a prelude to us going for full separation, selling the house etc

by feel wrath k

thanks boys. I 100% hope she can get on top of her issues because she’s a great girl and everyone should want their kids to have a mother who is present, together and reliable etc.

but I think it’s too late for our marriage. The stuff that happens to normal people’s behaviour when addiction hits is deep and broad. And for me that means too many years of thinking I have 0 partners and 4 children. Hard to ever think of her as an equal/someone I can trust again.

Sorry you have to go through this. I bet she lied the entire time. Hope that you can help the kids through it.


by the pleasure k

has anone read Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

was it worth?

I'm reading it now. It's interesting, but honestly nothing I haven't heard discussed in this forum a lot. It's all about max exploits for weak games, particularly loose/passive ones. My big problem is that each concept needs more examples, and maybe some EV calcs to provide more evidence that their proposed exploit is more +EV than a standard line.

I think it would be good for someone converting to live "no fold em" games from online, or perhaps from live limit, but anyone who has spent significant time in this forum will often be going "oh look, this debate again. And they come in on 's side of it."


by feel wrath k

separating for sure. Currently in the same house which is fine because we have a self contained studio on the ground floor. And alternating days when we manage the kids.

Wife has rehab next month and after that she will move out as a prelude to us going for full separation, selling the house etc

Sorry to hear Feely. :(

GtobetterdaysaheadG


by the pleasure k

has anone read Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

was it worth?

The example of overlimping KK in fairly LP / giving up easily postflop eleventeen ways limped (my standard play) had me intrigued.

Only part way thru it (and might take me a while to finish as I just don't have energy/desire for things in general right now). But so far it seems to want it both ways: i.e. you can't argue for loosely limping very speculative hands in EP if you're also arguing to overlimp monsters in LP expecting raises. After I re-read multiple times in a better mindset I'll probably get more out of it.

But it is likely a bit more in tune with my own weak passive super nitty method... which is *extremely* uncool (but also a perfectly reasonable approach to small BI / heavily raked LLSNL games, imo).

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