Facing check-raise on the flop, I got pot-committed with AA in the CO
1/2. I didn’t quite lose sleep over this one but still wondered whether I played it poorly.
V (288) is a loose passive, limp-calling and calling wide preflop. I have not seen him 3bet. Postflop, he has called down with top pair, weak kicker, and won.
Hero (covers) is a TAG but has gotten some good hands. In the last three orbits since he sat down, hero 3bet or bet large over limpers preflop four times.
OTTH
Button straddles. BB calls. UTG calls. V in LJ calls. Hero in the CO with AcAh raises to 25 (and later regrets not raising to 30 or 35). Button calls. BB and UTG fold. V calls.
Flop (76 after rake): KsTs4c
V checks. Hero bets 25. Button calls. V check-raises 60. Hero? Hero calls. Button folds.
Turn (221): 6d
V bets 100. Hero ? Hero calls.
River (421): 9s
V bets his last 103. Hero?
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I think my small raise preflop gave button and V better implied odds than favorable. It also started the march toward an awkward SPR and pot commitment. The small bet on the flop worsened the situation. The consensus seems to be fold or gii after the check-raise. But if these actions are superior to a call, they can’t be by much.
I would fold or 3! gii. AP by the river you are getting 5:1 but beat no value and he has no bluffs.
Reason to get it in: after the check-raise SPR is less than 2, and hero is pot-committed. All in might get KT to fold.
The real question is how wide does he raise this flop? …knowing these things is important.
I wrote up the hand history only with the information I had at the moment. In a later hand, the same V took the same actions on a similar runout: in the LJ, he called a button straddle, called a preflop raise to 30, and on a KJ4r run out, again check-raised, this time to 100 on top of 30. His opponents folded, and V showed AK.
I’m not sure I can ever fold the flop here. I range V after the check-raise with TT, 44, AK, KT, KQss, KJss, K9ss. With this range, hero has about 40 percent equity on the flop. Unless you take AK out of his range, I just don’t see how you can fold to a 35 dollar check-raise with 181 in the pot with about 200 behind effective.
Results: Hero called, V showed KTo. Hero mucked.
I've had a few observations now of otherwise passive players coming to life with a 2.5ish flop c/r (seems like they felt embarrassed to min-raise) and having top pair/overpair beat. This looks quite similar to the hands I played and you have the same conundrum of a low SPR which makes it hard to fold.
I might worry about being exploited for folding the flop but perhaps a call flop, fold turn unimproved line could be good in these spots.
I might worry about being exploited for folding the flop but perhaps a call flop, fold turn unimproved line could be good in these spots.
Next time, with no read on the V, I am going to take your suggested line. With the right read that V limp calls AK early, I'm probably just getting it in on the turn.
1/2. I didn’t quite lose sleep over this one but still wondered whether I played it poorly.
V (288) is a loose passive, limp-calling and calling wide preflop. I have not seen him 3bet. Postflop, he has called down with top pair, weak kicker, and won.
Hero (covers) is a TAG but has gotten some good hands. In the last three orbits since he sat down, hero 3bet or bet large over limpers preflop four times.
OTTH
Button straddles. BB calls. UTG calls. V in LJ calls. Hero in the CO with AcAh raises to 25 (
Yuck.
At 1/2 and 1/3, flop x/r's are almost always sets, 2P, or monster combo-draws. I might call flop, just to see what V does on a turn brick, but if he barrels again, I'm folding turn.
As played, his flop semi-bluff monster combo-draws got there on the river, so it's a trivial fold.
Bigger pf and on the flop I prefer half pot sizing.
Vs the small CR you have to call and at this stack depth I'm just getting it in on the turn.
If he's deeper and nittier with larger turn sizing we can start thinking about folds, but I don't think you can get away in this hand.
You're getting over 3 to 1 on the turn and then 5 to 1 on the river.
