Line Check with 98s on the Button: Flopped a BDSF

Preflop I could go either way: raising in position is fine, or overlimp. Flop might be a pointless bet against 2 players, with two Broadway cards on board. Turn and river seem standard.

Loose passives meaning calling stations I probably just limp. Your really just trying to bink the flop then get paid off by betting 3 streets for value. But on the BTN I don't hate the raise. We whiffed the flop so I probably just check it down.

Played fine, usually when an UTG limper calls a raise and then the cbet he has a lot of big kings in his range (KQs or even AK for ppl who hate AK). You cbet once since the king hits your range, but after he calls I would also give up too w/o any further equity. If an ace hit the turn I would continue and I would have cbet slightly more to around 18/20.

In this particular runout, villain has more Tens in his range than Hero, so without gaining any additional equity in the hand, the turn check is mandatory IMO.

River bet is also strong coming from a rec. It's a trivial fold.

Seems fine. You could bet big on turn and give up as an alternative.

98s is pretty bad. Would rather have 65s which interacts less poorly with villains' ranges. Flop isn't terrible. Turn we pick up no equity and the card is bad for us so I think the check is fine. River give up is fine. If villain checks the river, we can bluff river. We need some trash hands to bluff rivers after betting flop and checking turn. We can also have value hands in that line like Kx.

I just limp they're gonna call pre a bunch of **** hands that dominate you

Idk why you bet so big on flop go like 10-12 if you want to stab flop

I'd probably stab once and give up on this runout, but probably wouldn't cbet flop, I'd delay cbet

This hand makes a really poor turn barrel. Almost zero equity, blocks a lot of auto folds like straight draws and 88

Seems fine. You can go either way preflop, I probably lean overlimp but raising is fine. Again bet or check are OK on the flop but I would mostly bet - not really because of range advantage but because we have 9 high and there are lots of good turn cards, and we're in position. Turn and river are fine.

I don't mind the raise pre, but if you are not going to rep a biggish hand on this flop, you should just limp pre. I go bigger on the flop, and I bet the turn.

I wouldn't raise pre unless I thought I could get it heads up or 2 folds the vast majority of the time. I think the flop bet is spewy vs 2 opponents (unless ranges are really wide) and I agree with turn check.

Heads up is a range bet. 3 way is trickier. I would probably cbet it, but since we don't have too much equity if we get called, then a check might be best.

It also depends on the callers' ranges. If the SB is relatively snug, this means her range is something like small pairs, suited connectors and broadways. So. there's a decent chance she continues.

If OTOH, SB is loose, this means she whiffs a ton, so a cbet might make more sense.

Both Vs are loose/passive and H is a TAG. H needs to make them think he hit the flop or just give up and check -- and if that's the case, just limp pre. $15 pre and on flop does nothing except lose H $30.

cbetting is so overhyped. just x thru. youre going to bluff 2 LPs with a hand that almost never catches up. Even QJs I x through here a lot at my game. Why build a pot when I'll miss so often and they'll call with any K? some will even call with a T or A4 here at my game.

I get looked up so f---ing much when I check back turn here and bet river. I'm never betting this river against a loose passive. Maybe at 2/5 its good but people will snap with 66 here and any K after turn x through.

Thanks, everyone, for your many opinions. It never surprises me how much everyone on 2+2 disagrees.

Very good points I agree.

Against two loose passive players at 1/2, I don't hate the raise pre, but over-limping in games like this is also fine.

I'm just check-folding post flop, not betting. No point in trying to bluff opponents who will never fold any pair 55 or higher here.

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