GTO Ranges for Time Rake
I’ve been using the GTO Wizard pre-flop cash charts and I was wondering what adjustments I need to make when when playing in a time rake game.
I’m guessing it would be somewhere in between the cash ranges and the 100 bb tournament ranges since the tournament ranges include an ante and are therefore probably too loose.
Has anyone seen any time rake charts or done any pre-flop solving to see if they’re closer to one or the other?
I’m thinking it’s closer to the cash charts since the rake seems to affect the ranges very little when you compare the 500nl charts to the live charts. But I’m also thinking that your play from the blinds and button would allow for a lot more calling in a time rake game.
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It's closer to the tournament ranges, although not quite as loose. More cold calling is allowed. 66+ I think are like pure continues from any position facing even a 4x raise from UTG. Definitely vs 3x open. But you are also supposed to flat with a lot of traps when facing EP opens, a decent frequency with QQ an even JJ. Not sure if it makes sense to do as much in live setting where the possibility of mega multiway is so high.
I was have been in the same spot as you looking over these ranges and I ended up getting holdem resources manager to do some preflop solves. They also recently implemented straddles, double straddles, and button straddles, so it has been a good resources for live poker.
It's closer to the tournament ranges, although not quite as loose. More cold calling is allowed. 66+ I think are like pure continues from any position facing even a 4x raise from UTG. Definitely vs 3x open. But you are also supposed to flat with a lot of traps when facing EP opens, a decent frequency with QQ an even JJ. Not sure if it makes sense to do as much in live setting where the possibility of mega multiway is so high.
I was have been in the same spot as you looking over these ranges
*Even KK.
And surprisingly doing a lot of flatting with AQo, AQs, and even hands like A9s. AKo mixing some esp vs EP.
Live rakeless charts are very different from raked charts. I'm not entirely sure I like all the flatting it calls for given that it tends to go so multiway and we lose betting initiative. But the way aggressive regs play pre in rakeless games is probably exploitable in that there aren't enough traps, too easy to squeeze, too weighted towards middle and low PP, too much 3betting hands that should mix call like AQo, AQs, or even 3betting hands thay should mix fold like KQo, AJo. But being over aggressive tends to pay off too.
