Top pair end of action after confusing flop bet

Don't post results. Flop bet is weird, but you can't fold or raise. River is a fold, though. Everything got there.

My bad, removed.

FWIW, I don't mind the check on the turn, either.

He's repping stone cold bluff, heart draws, flush draws, 2p, sets on the flop.
With the latter more likely, and the heart draws more often being combo draws.

I'd expect to see something like Ax 2p hands, sets, and 87hh most often.
I'd fold the river.

I fold otf but that's just me.

BB donking out 60 into 100 4 ways on a two tone flop isn't usually a draw ime at worse it's usually AK plus.

As played I'd fold the river after hearts completed and there's 4 to a straight.

Notice to posters: Please include stack sizes in hand histories, it's one of the most important elements in the hand.

Next time post stack sizes as they are pretty integral to whether we should be committing or not on various streets.

Any reads on BB? Against nitty players, I could even make a nitty fold on the flop. Against donkier / semi-bluffier players I'm fine continuing, and SPR would decide whether I commit now versus proceed cautiously.

The less committed we are, the more I'm cool with checking back the turn to setup a river bluffcatcher. Don't mind betting either though.

Unlucky river as pretty much all his semi-bluffs now get there, so I'm folding now.

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Lol I promise to get a clue eventually

I have about 500, he covers

Two pair is something he could have that I hadn't considered for some reason... that's even more evidence to fold lol

Wow people folding a lot here. I thought about raising flop but maybe calling is better.

Im betting turn for value.

River meh.. I wouldnt get here like this. I probably fold but against some players I can find a call.

I'd be raising that flop donk-bet, almost purely on principle. The pure effrontery needs punishment.

Turn I'd be betting when V checks to us. What does he have? 74 or 42? 65 or 53? C'mon. His flop donk is a weak top pair or trying to set his own price to draw to the flush.

River - welp, any 7 or 2 is a straight, and the heart draw got there. No sense in trying to up a fight now. Just fold.

would you give up to a reraise from the donker on the flop, then?

I take it this question was directed at me. With no reads, I probably would fold if he 3B over our raise.

Especially in heads-up situations, donk-leads are generally bad plays, most often weak top pairs or draws trying to set their own price to chase. Most low stakes rec players are more likely to go for a check-raise, especially on flops like this one.

Donk leads start to make more sense with strong-but-vulnerable hands in multi-way pots, where the action is likely to get checked through.

This spot is somewhat sketchy, because as the PFR, I'd think you're going to be c-betting this A-high board at a fairly high frequency if all the other players check to you. You'll be betting your top-pairs and PP's for value and protection, and probably betting your nut flush draws, with hands like KQs.

When BB donks this flop into 3 opponents, I'd think it's more likely to be because he has a hand that connected with this flop in some way, rather than being a draw, although draws are still possible. If you raise, and he comes back over the top, he probably has 2P or a set, and almost never a draw.

If that's what happens, it's ok. I'd rather raise-fold flop than let the BB take us to value town, by barreling turn and river. When we just call, he could have anything and everything on the river - a weaker top pair, 2P, a set, a straight, a flush, etc.

But if V has a weaker A, and just flat-calls our flop raise, we maintain control of the betting and pot size. We can barrel turn, and if V calls again, we can check-back on this river card.

I just don't see much point in raising the flop, but maybe it will get him to fold, which is the only outcome I want.

My problem with raising the flop is that you'd have to make it at least $150, so now you've invested $175 with one pair and a ton of turns you don't want to see. If he just flats the flop and barrels turn, which he most likely will (or at least he should on most turns), you are toast. If he checks turn, I wouldn't want to bet. And again, if he barrels river, we most likely have to give up. It's just an ugly situation/board for our hand with not much room for improvement.

Heck, the more I think about it, calling the flop is sketchy, but I would do it hoping for a "clean" board and no more betting from V.