Simple math preflop?

Simple math preflop?

9 handed 3-5NL, H just joined the table and buys in $800.

V has mandatory straddle utg $10.
Fold to H who posted $5 in CO to enter the game.
H raises to $35 with Kc6c.
Folds to V who makes it $120.

Pot odds are $156:$85

H is in position, should he call?

V has $315 behind.

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01 November 2024 at 11:19 PM
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Fold, especially at this stack depth.


You've gone this far. 270-300/fold? Or CIB/fold. Or just fold, ofc. The dynamic of this being your very first hand and you raising, makes me want to play back vs simply fold. I've probably read too much Caro.

Call, and it's 240 pot, 680 back, with suited king high vs a 3b straddle range.. Seems problematic, even IP.

What was your reasoning for 3.5x'ing it in the CO to 35 pre? Not that 30 makes it much better. W/o reads of any kind? Just you always RFI even with a straddle, and K6s seemed good enough vs 4 opponents?


by Nh,gg. k

You've gone this far. 270-300/fold? Or CIB/fold. Or just fold, ofc. The dynamic of this being your very first hand and you raising, makes me want to play back vs simply fold. I've probably read too much Caro.

Call, and it's 240 pot, 680 back, with suited king high vs a 3b straddle range.. Seems problematic, even IP.

What was your reasoning for 3.5x'ing it in the CO to 35 pre? Not that 30 makes it much better. W/o reads of any kind? Just you always RFI even with a straddle, and K6s seemed

It might sound ridiculous but you can limp/raise in this spot too after posting in late position. It is very likely your post will get raised by the BTN or the blinds. People isolate against a post very wide. I have made this play for value several times and this is a good bluffing hand. Think I’ve heard Bart Hanson talk about it too.


Standard open at this game is $35. It’s usually a LAG heavy game.

I did think K6s was good enough to play given I had already posted $5. But good point, with 4 players still to act, maybe it should just be a hand to call $10 with.

I like the limp re-raise idea.

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I thought the straddle’s 3-bet range might be wider than usual since he was facing an open raise from a behind the button poster.

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Open raise is fine, but I would fold to 3b. Even if straddle is wide, he is just going to have hands that have you crushed. AK, KQ, KJ, etc.


If you're not folding this, what are you folding?

Limp-reraise would be an idea if you wanted to create an image for yourself. Someone will probably look up the person who limp reraises their first hand...just make sure you tell the table "I've come here to play" as you turn over your Kx


I was definitely thinking about this being my first hand and shaping my table image as I called the 3-bet, but yeah in retrospect I think this is a negative EV call.

Overall, I think I tend to be seen as a nit. But lately I have been running good and playing better, so at my usual cardroom I have been getting more respect from the regulars.

This particular hand was played at a cardroom I don't often play at, where there the buy-in is uncapped, and a lot of the regulars are quite aggressive.

So, in a play that is somewhat unusual for me, I called the 3-bet with a weak hand.

The flop came 7d 7c 6s.

V shoved $310.

I thought the overbet shove had a signifcant chunk of A high in the range. I called.

The runout was benign and villain was really pissed to lose with AKo and stormed off having busted.

So, a lucky start for me, but maybe important for me to take note in the midst of this good run of cards that this was not a great play by me.


Caro?
Mike Caro and his book of poker tells?

by Nh,gg. k

You've gone this far. 270-300/fold? Or CIB/fold. Or just fold, ofc. The dynamic of this being your very first hand and you raising, makes me want to play back vs simply fold. I've probably read too much Caro.

Call, and it's 240 pot, 680 back, with suited king high vs a 3b straddle range.. Seems problematic, even IP.

What was your reasoning for 3.5x'ing it in the CO to 35 pre? Not that 30 makes it much better. W/o reads of any kind? Just you always RFI even with a straddle, and K6s seemed


by OGfromOCC k

Caro?
Mike Caro and his book of poker tells?

While Caro is best known for his "Book of Tells," he wrote hundreds of articles on poker over the years. He admitted to two errors. First he backed a lot of women who didn't have the skills to play to sleep with them. The second was that he would burn $100 bills at the table to show the other players that he didn't care about money. He wrote that burning $20 bills would have had the same effect (keeping in mind that this was in the 70's and 80's).


LOL.
Errors of over payment.

by venice10 k

While Caro is best known for his "Book of Tells," he wrote hundreds of articles on poker over the years. He admitted to two errors. First he backed a lot of women who didn't have the skills to play to sleep with them. The second was that he would burn $100 bills at the table to show the other players that he didn't care about money. He wrote that burning $20 bills would have had the same effect (keeping in mind that this was in the 70's and 80's).


by OGfromOCC k

Caro?
Mike Caro and his book of poker tells?

As Venice noted, he was much more prevalent as an author in the early days. (And yeech at the prostitution angle. OTOH, I've seen his author photo...)

Among his writings, he advocated at times having a "madman" image early to get loose action later on. Switching up ranges---assuming anyone is paying attention at all---can be useful, IME.

Donk shoving 1.3x pot is certainly one way to play 776r... NH.

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