Turn equity, nothing back
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
Table is very loose passive at this point with almost no 3-betting going on. People are just calling hands like KQs and AKo.
V - loose passive old man that calls way too wide and for too many streets. Rarely bluffs if ever. Bet sizing tell (ie. same size/same size, flop/turn = weak). SB. 250$. H covers.
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UTG and UTG1 limp 3$, Folds to H in HJ who goes 25 with A♦ 5♦, V calls SB of 250$ eff, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG1 folds. 4 ways IP.
Flop 100 - J♠ 6♦ 3♦
SB looks like he wants to bet but then decides to check. Checks through.
Turn 100 - 2♥
SB leads 100 with 125 back. BB and UTG fold. Hero?
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Only option here is either fold or all in as a semibluff. Since Villain wont probably fold with only 125$ behind. I opt for a fold since according to your tell, he rarely bluffs so against Jacks, 66, 33 we're crushed. Him having 70% equity against your 30%.
I don't understand the logic behind not betting flop in position. You have more decent pocket pairs and all the over cards in your range in addition to actually have the effective nuts on the flop.
Turn is a basically facing Jx or better face up and probably on the cusp. I don't know if this is a real puzzle or one you made up but the turn is difficult mostly because of stack depth. You are probably getting close to 25% equity or better against literally any 2 cards including a set. Probably a sigh call turn despite him being short stacks. Obviously if he's deeper it's a mandatory call.
I think I would bet flop. You are IP and want to build a pot with the NFD to try and cooler other flushes. You can also easily call a xr. If you want to have flush draws in your xb range, then smaller ones will work -- you can still win with a bluff if the turn checks around in that case.
AP, I think jamming the turn is a punt? You have no fold equity so why not call the turn getting 3:1 and fold the river if you don't hit? You have as many as 17 outs against KJ, so you are getting the right price. There is also a nonzero possibility that he is bluffing with a worse FD and will give up, allowing you to xb and win.
Only option here is either fold or all in as a semibluff. Since Villain wont probably fold with only 125$ behind. I opt for a fold since according to your tell, he rarely bluffs so against Jacks, 66, 33 we're crushed. Him having 70% equity against your 30%.
Why not call? I agree with you that we likely have 30% equity against Villain's range (TPGK, sets, two pair, straights, JXdd, maybe an occasional KQdd type semi-bluff). Facing this bet, we need 33% equity to continue. So we aren't getting the right price, but if we can make any money at all when we get there on the river, it is a +EV call due to implied odds.
On a river diamond or 4, if Villain checks and we jam, he will need to call $125 to win $425. He will likely call quite a bit getting this price against an aggressive opponent. Because we are IP and our opponent is a weaker player, it is also fairly likely that he bets the river himself to set his own price for showdown.
I would just limp behind preflop, but raise is obviously fine. You need to cbet with good equity, representing an overpair or good J. I would flat call the turn bet.
C-bet the flop small, less than 1/3 pot, and over-bet the turn.
As played, with our read on V, I probably fold the pot size donk with not enough left behind.
I don’t really see how you can justify raising this hand preflop if you are not betting the flop. For the low price of $35 you can probably either take it down or see 2 more cards.
If you don’t think you have enough fold equity on this type of flop to be able to bet it, the raise preflop was spew.
If the table is passive then just over limp preflop. You are isolating yourself against better hands by raising this hand class.
As played always Cbet flop since they are too wide preflop and will overfold.
As played call turn.
I would limp behind, but the raise isn't bad.
I don't understand the flop check at all. I don't understand cbetting small either. I would make it between 40 and 80. You should take it down often with that bet and have good equity if called. Then probably bet the turn unimproved a decent size, depending on the turn card and flop action. You are drawing to the nuts, so can semibluff representing an overpair or set. The board is dry except for the 2-flush, so good for your range and harder for them to have much.
pf is a mistake unless you are aggressive postflop. given that you didnt bet this flop pf seems like a mistake.
its really unlikely you get CR'd here. but i want weak hands to call so i cbet small here. if someone has a set they will CR you on this board b/c of the two flush.
on the turn if you make a flush bet small usually because you kept ranges weak by cbetting small OTF and you want to get paid. also you if you bet small on the flush turn a weaker flush will probably CR at which point you just call and then the rest of chips on the river.
if you turn an ace usually check behind.
most other turns should be bombed at least pot.
Isn't the whole, "SB looks like he wants to bet but then decides to check..." meant to inhibit us from betting?
Why do that though, and then pot turn, I have no idea. Calling. Folding if we whiff. At most, I think they've a pair of Jacks. Gets interesting if you river an Ace.
I just happily overlimp preflop. Think it is actually quite poor to be raising large with hands like these at this stack depth as we're mostly just setting up very low SPRs with the worst of it.
SPR is ~2, we should have good equity against most, and pot is most definitely worth fighting over (risk is very much worth reward at this SPR). Think I actually jam the flop to add FE to my hand equity. At the very least I'd bet something to see if that wins it, gets me a free card, perhaps sets up a turn jam on a scare card, etc.
On the turn we likely have no FE. We're getting just over 3:1 if all the money goes in on the river. With an over + nut flush draw + gutshot I think we've got just enough to call.
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What CallMeVernon wrote. If I'm raising pre w/ this hand, I am 100% betting the flop. As played, fold or shove -- shoving is to gamble.
When do we get the reveal on this one?
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pf is a mistake unless you are aggressive postflop. given that you didnt bet this flop pf seems like a mistake.
its really unlikely you get CR'd here. but i want weak hands to call so i cbet small here. if someone has a set they will CR you on this board b/c of the two flush.
on the turn if you make a flush bet small usually because you kept ranges weak by cbetting small OTF and you want to get paid. also you if you bet small on the flush turn a weaker flush will probably CR at which point you ju
yeaah a couple people saying bet small bet chonk across flop and turn. In the moment I just thought about how it was 4 ways and not that deep and wanted to just realize my equity IP.