3bp River: Did I miss value?

Ah nah, its well played.

Even betting 200$ is tricky because what do you do against a shove. You cry call? You cry fold? Is totally a bad spot.

I think that him saying he would have called more is true, and that ''you could have got more there'', but on the other hand, it doesn't take too long in someone's poker journey to start checking and shutting down on four card straights, so as a general poker player pool and a villain that you give no info, is good. Even crazy players man, they know the four card straight is eh. And even if you think he's gonna bluff you, it doesn't even make it a good spot to call a raise, and if you shove yourself you're totally representing more than you have. I'm actually fine with a river check or a thin value bet. It's weird because it's his third check so he's kinda saying he doesn't have it, but sometimes they do.

I'm not even sure if its good to sharpen your sword here, like, if you start digging into those super thin value spots, it's totally going to backfire, and you're gonna be in the hell of a grinder. Weither or not villain is bluff or value, the river reraise is just soooo ahehhhhhhhhh. There's gonna be spots where he's generally bluff-able but this time he has it, or he's tight and he probably has it, and why would he raise two pairs here. IDK man.

Me as an experienced professional poker player, I feel totally willing to lose value in exchange of easy decisions. As a side note, the poker player pool generally likes to hero call a four straight bluff with two pairs+, even the wild poker players they don't like to call with one pair with an almost straight on board. I like the check, and the rare thin value that's bigger, and also like the thin small value with top set that gets somewhat called often enough... At 260BB, I air on the side of checking most of the time. Like a lot. Like a whole lot. Im just checking dude. Totally tempted to bet also. I feel im not saying anything. One of those ''all decisions are good'' thing...

My final word on this, the bigger hero stack is, the more I like the check. The higher the stakes, the more I like the check. I just don't like to be in the blender, and I avoid it if possible. Also the worse case scenario is HELL dude. Imagine, you bet 200$, he shoves, and he has shown bluffs earlier. What the fuck do you do dude. Feels like everything is wrong, the call is wrong, the fold is wrong, its all bullshit.

Me, me like, I'd like to speak like super generally, like very very generally, sometimes we play the whole day; and weird things happens, and there's tricky players showing hands you wouldn't guess. They are so many times dude, so many times, I saw a bad river card, and I overlook it, and I got PUNISHED, HARD. I just check now. Just fuck it dude. Just check, whatever. It's totally debatable, and it might be good actually, specially with his third check and shit but.. it's never zero you know. I like to shut down and be passive on bad run outs, is just a good rule of thumb that isn't really a rule... and sure enough, sure enough, one time out of four, it's a what the fuck.

By the way, I saw Keating in HCL do a lot of reverse this. Just river nutty hand, and check shove. I think that's brillant. Specially in big stack, high stack games, just fucking brillant, you're guaranteed he has a hand, and you feel safe with the shove, and now he's in the blender and you you're chilling with a chance of winning big. Definitely has worked out for him the couple times he did it.

I really like to stay super risk adverse. I think you got max value already on flop and again on turn. I think checking is the only play here, because as the previous response (WHAT DO WE DO IF HE JAMS?). Play for the long game not a quick boom double up you'll get him again and we get to see the trash he's been checking off the whole time since he's first to act (unless your poker room makes last show first). We never know if he is capable enough to pull off a kill Phil style trap once in a while. I mean even bad players can sometimes be capable of this!

I do think other then the river the hand was played very well!