Standup game
Saw discussion of this in video. In live streams, people actually stand up until they win a pot, but that seems uncomfortable. The last person to win a pot pays everyone like 5 big blinds. Makes it harder for people like me to wait for good hands. Also, greats more action with small pots. More reraising and large raise sizes preflop to win preflop or get HU. Obviously leads to more bluffing. People may overadjust or not adjust enough. Has anyone played it?
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I really love the stand-up game. It is like anything that people are unfamiliar with. If you play it well while other people play poorly, you will profit. I play the stand-up game with a $100 bounty per player in 5/5/10/25, and we joke that it's the only game people will blow through $2,000 to save $800.One key is not to overadjust. If you have a tight image, that is good.
I like how you emphasized not overadjusting and letting your table image work for you; it’s something a lot of players overlook.
You see way more weird hands getting blasted pre just so guys can sit down, and it makes the pots bigger than they “should” be for the stakes.
It’s fun for creating action, but you’re right, it can be kinda uncomfortable standing for too long. Also adds a tilt factor: if you brick a few spots and end up paying off 5bb to the table, it stings.
Similar question was just asked on the theory sub, and here's my fairly detailed response.
IME from playing games with extra dead money, I highly doubt people are over-adjusting to a game with 5bbs per player on the line. Maybe they’re not adjusting well, but optimal ranges are gonna pretty turnt in any neutral+ leverage situation.
If it’s an especially high leverage situation, then forget it. Who’s open folding to a 1bb blind bet when the penalty for losing the hand is 45bbs? Lol
Seems like a spot where the common sensical players have it more right than the by-the-book ones.
RA: Your link doesn't work for me, or maybe it's in the new style forums which I hate/avoid.
We discussed standup game a couple of times in the past, Mlark said he'd studied it a bunch and ran some sims. Here's one decent post by him:
RA: Your link doesn't work for me, or maybe it's in the new style forums which I hate/avoid.
Yeah, it’s the new style. You can find it easily just scrolling through the first page of the Poker Theory & GTO sub.
We discussed standup game a couple of times in the past, Mlark said he'd studied it a bunch and ran some sims. Here's one decent post by him:
Thanks I’ll check it out.
The Oaks' $10 winner straddle is substantially different. It basically isn't part of the pot, because you have to give it back when you post the straddle the very next hand, so that affects pot odds considerations. It is the exact equivalent of playing with a rock like at the Peppermill in Reno.
In a conventional 2-5 (or, like the Oaks, 2-3-5) game with a mandatory UTG straddle, it costs a player $17 (or at the Oaks $20) to play an orbit and fold every hand. In the winner straddle game, if you fold for an orbit it only costs you $7 (or at the Oaks, $10) to play a orbit. You are basically playing 5-10 with a 2-5 blind structure. It calls for significantly tighter play than in the 2-5 game, plus the strategic considerations of dramatically different position preflop and postflop.
This seems ... almost pointless? It just increases the min. raise size from 2bb to 3bb? Wait, I guess the rake increases too ... so gg casino.
Like I wouldn't be shocked if a solver would ignore it.
What happens if you win a hand and want to stand up or leave?
I guess I can see how while it should be a 2-5 game, if enough people think it's a 5-10 game then you are kind of forced to go along with their delusion.
Whenever I've heard of a Rock being normal before it's things like when a high hand scoops in split pot games.
Min raise of a straddle is 2 straddles, so min-raise is 4bb. It really should just be called a "Rock" and no monetary value should be assigned to it--no different from having the dealer button.
In any case, it's a completely different game, not sure how we started talking about this lol.
Oh, well in every casino game I've played you can put 1bb on top of a blind minraise but have to raise at least 1 straddle over a straddle. I guess different games are different 😃
