Overfold to live tell at 1/2?

I think getting 4:1 it’s an automatic call. Don’t love it but can’t fold here.

I wonder whether jamming turn would be better. Obviously not folding now.

Expect to lose more then win but not folding unless villain is known to be very tight and has no bluffs.

What's the tell, that he snap shoved turn over your bet? That just means he didn't have to think much about it, which yeh 4x internally pleased at what a genius he is for playing so well ... but there is some hope for other things.

Against a bunch of people it certainly feels like it's 100% behind, but you are only really crushed against TT/44/KK. There is also some hope he has AK/KQ/QdJd/QcJc or Tdxd, and maybe even something really insane like QQ.
Also this hand has way more outs than AA vs. random KT or 54, so it's either call this or only call KK (and maybe TT).

I've been in a pretty dark place the last month or so where they just always have it, and I keep thinking about making insane folds while I lose almost every hand. But occasionally I've almost made an insane fold multiway and they show worse that they thought was for value. So I understand, but it's part of the game at low stakes.

Some other things to think about:

What does "pretty active" mean ... Does he raise to $5 a lot? Just from EP/MP? Does he have other sizes or limp? Has anyone 3bet and did he ever fold to a 3bet?

The last is often the most difficult because std. 1-2 fish strats. are to limp/call CO ranges from everywhere and raise just JJ+ or whatever.

One thing I've thought about is just 3betting much bigger, given players who are defending at least 80% of their ranges. vs. a 3bet.
Esp. here where he might have opened small because he has 22-66 or 43s-76s and is happier to lose a small pot if he misses. If he has TT it likely doesn't change anything, and sometimes not even if he has 44.

You can maybe bet smaller on the flop and turn too ... the only slightly bad rivers are Tx or diamonds, and if you bet smaller and he snap shoves it's not so heroy to fold (although again with this particular hand it's hard to fold). But doing that can miss a lot of value too, when you aren't getting stomped on for the 666th time.

I’d bet smaller on the Flop (and larger on the Turn), but we’d be in the same spot regardless. And I’m never folding, he can be bluffing (9d8d kinda hands) , we’re beating some value hands, and while I suck at math I’m pretty sure we have odds against even trips here.

Can't fold to this amount.

Absolutely never folding.

There are lots of draws and you are only beaten by TT, KT, A4s, 54s, and maybe some other 4s he called a 3! with. Obviously can't fold getting 4-1. I guess the read was strong and he had you.

If you fold here, you might as well pick up and go home.

Pot is $278 and it costs you $65 to call, for about 4.2 to 1. How can you ever fold top top here to a 3 bet pot? So I am with docvail, go home if you can't call this bet. If he called your 3 bet with 4x, KT or TT, pay him.

Top-top with the nut flush draw!!!

Crumbs, I hadn't even noticed this. It's a snap call with no draw at all.

Yeah, I thought everyone was on the same page when I commented. Hero's got TPTK, and the nut flush draw.

I'd be ecstatic to get my money in here, getting almost any odds, but with the odds hero is getting, I don't see how it can ever be anything other than an insta-call.

If V has trips or a boat, that sucks, but we're never folding in this spot. We're so far ahead of all V's worse paired hands and all his draws. Even against A4, we're still 25% to win. Against TT, we're 4.4%. We're only drawing stone dead against 1 combo of 44 and 1 combo of KK.

V's insta-jam, if that's the "tell", is going to be some sort of diamond flush draw as often, if not more often than it'll be some super-nutted hand.

Didn't see that. Makes it much easier to call. You have decent equity against anything but TT if you're behind.

KK got there as well. But we have a blocker.

Yes, what others said. Call, and be proud to show TPTK + nut flush draw, even if you're behind.