1/3: Multi-way KQs on BTN - too cute?

1/3: Multi-way KQs on BTN - too cute?

8 seated table is active, standard raise is to $15, players like to see flops, wasn't uncommon to play 4-5 handed after a 5x BB pre-flop raise.

In this hand, all stacks are ~100 BB except for SB (55bb / $170ish).

UTG just sat down, this is the second hand he's been dealt and the first hand he's played.

For the hand:

Hero (KsQs) on BTN

UTG raises to 15, HJ calls, CO calls, Hero ???

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08 January 2024 at 12:11 AM
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I hate calling raises preflop at LLSNL (I think the 3-bet or fold works best), but even I think this is a crystal-clear call, and that anything else is a big mistake.


by davomalvolio k

I hate calling raises preflop at LLSNL (I think the 3-bet or fold works best), but even I think this is a crystal-clear call, and that anything else is a big mistake.

Hero calls.

SB and BB both call, we're 6-handed

Flop: Js5s2h

Check, check, check, check, check, Hero ???


Bet $70, call off the jam.


6 handed I think I just check back.


by davomalvolio k

Bet $70, call off the jam.

Betting did cross my mind. My sizing is never great, so I didn't think to go that big. If I had bet I would have probably thrown out 35-40. Too small?

by maromb78 k

6 handed I think I just check back.

We have a ton of equity and a lot of great turn cards will improve our hand.

Hero checks back.

(POT $90) Turn 8d

SB leads 35 (now has 120 behind), BB calls, action folds around to Hero ???


Turn: SB just led into 5 people; and given we have King high (and our King/Queen are dubious outs), we need fold equity for a raise. I doubt we have much, so call.


Squeeze preflop. Calling isn't horrible on the button with this specific hand, but I still prefer to squeeze.

I don't see betting achieving much on the flop, so check.

Position is your friend on the turn and you're getting a price to call. Raising is unlikely to get the result you want, so calling is best.


by moxterite k

Squeeze preflop. Calling isn't horrible on the button with this specific hand, but I still prefer to squeeze.

I don't see betting achieving much on the flop, so check.

Position is your friend on the turn and you're getting a price to call. Raising is unlikely to get the result you want, so calling is best.

What is a good size to squeeze pre-flop? What do we do if we get cold 4bet by the shorter stack SB after we squeeze to what I assume would be a $65-70 3bet?

by hitchens97 k

Turn: SB just led into 5 people; and given we have King high (and our King/Queen are dubious outs), we need fold equity for a raise. I doubt we have much, so call.

Hero calls. 3-handed to the river.

(POT $195) River: Th

SB shoves remaining stack ($120)

BB folds. Hero folds.

In retrospect I think we played the hand fine. It just felt gross having a lot of spots to be more aggressive on every street (and potentially win the hand), but decided to play it passively and none of the outs materialized.


by wnrwnrchkndnnr k

What is a good size to squeeze pre-flop? What do we do if we get cold 4bet by the shorter stack SB after we squeeze to what I assume would be a $65-70 3bet?

Hero calls. 3-handed to the river.

(POT $195) River: Th

SB shoves remaining stack ($120)

BB folds. Hero folds.

In retrospect I think we played the hand fine. It just felt gross having a lot of spots to be more aggressive on every street (and potentially win the hand), but decided to play it passively and none of the outs materialized.

I think it's fine. It's 6 ways in low stakes where the predominant player type is calling station. Being overly agressive multiway with King high (albeit with good equity) is not how we're making our money at low stakes.


I'd 3B pre. It's a great spot to iso the dead money in the pot. If the UTG opener folds, HJ and CO will probably fold. If any of them call, they severely cap their range.

As the pre-flop 3B'er on the BTN, you can c-bet this flop a ton. As played, when everyone checks, I'd probably bet, for the same reason I'd have 3B pre - our hand is strong enough, and we want to narrow the field and deny equity from hands that can improve.

If we 3B pre and c-bet flop, I assume we'd have taken the pot down already often enough that we don't get to the turn all that often. If we had the betting lead, I might check-back, or I might bomb it. Probably bombing it more than I check this.

As played, I dunno, I guess I call turn, and fold flop.


by wnrwnrchkndnnr k

What is a good size to squeeze pre-flop? What do we do if we get cold 4bet by the shorter stack SB after we squeeze to what I assume would be a $65-70 3bet?

Yeah probably 70 or so. SB 4bet (jam) would be frustrating but rare enough to make it nothing to worry about. If it happened, would depend somewhat on whether others got involved and player type etc but in a vacuum despite the very tempting price I would probably fold with an easily dominated hand.


With no real reads on the opener, I probably just flat preflop.

Think I would probably lean to a smallish bet on the flop, like $35. We possibly take it down (sometimes against currently better hands, like A high or small pairs that can't really call). Otherwise we should have great equity against any callers and this small bet can often buy us a free turn card.

On the turn I'm just calling. We should have very little FE against this small stack and both the SB and BB are the only ones that should really have been possibly slowplaying the flop (attempting a check/raise versus the raiser).

And obviously folding the river.

There's perhaps a couple of spots we could have done something different. Against a known very looser opener we could consider a squeeze preflop, but I'm not doing that against an unknown raising in EP. And I think both checking and betting the flop is fine / close / whatever. Overall, while I would have perhaps leaned to a small bet on the flop, I think the hand is fine.

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