1/3 NLHE, A5 suited, turn FH on flush board as pre-flop raiser

Whoa javanewt is a 55 year old woman... did not fit my mental image at all.

I dont like your sizing pre and I dont like not raising OTF. Your sizing is also weird OTF. Always betting turn, you need to pile money in theres like 250 back.

Flop size a bit too large but gets not as bad the wider and more passive villains are on the flop.

Turn check back is a disaster. You should be betting small always to build the pot and be able to make a larger bet on the river and play for stacks.

River I would just go 2/3. Villain is going to be pretty weak here and shoving into a pot where there is a player already all in does not look bluffy at all imo. But is something you could've done if you had bet the turn.

Villain has mostly K high or Ax so I would just try and target that.

And yes snap call to any shove. Thinking about folding at all is absurd.

Bet the turn. ks is calling Ace is calling

LOL. I'm very much a woman, but I have always been one of the guys. Complete tomboy growing up -- and still! Very competitive, athletic, etc. I also think more like a guy -- spatial relations, logic, stats, I give my directions with the cardinal compass points, etc.

I like preflop if $15 will get you heads up or fold everybody. As bet size creeps higher I like limping in behind some.
On the flop I like $25. The big flush draws and other big hands are not going away and garbage isn't paying anything. Low flush draws are the only hands that might adjust their play based on your bet and mostly they are not going to play. It's annoying when you get shoved on because V1 is after you but I think call is the right play. V1 will be priced in to play almost anything worth playing the first time and it works in your favor to keep the garbage around. If V1 shoves it's a tough judgement call.
On the turn it's a judgement call on what gets V1's money in. If you don't bet a river shove will be big but any turn bet may look too much like a suck bet. All things considered I think betting something on the turn is better.
On the river villain would have bet if they had a big hand, your targeting the weak end of her range. Given the way this played the whiffed draws shouldn't call anything. So $60/$75 looks good. If villain does shove it's an autocall. Villain could have 5x/2 pair/flush and think they are good. The only likely hand you lose to is JsJx as 99 should have shoved flop.

I would just overlimp preflop but I'm passive like that.

Flop is interesting, imo. My first thought was that it was fine, in that there is no way we can fold to the shorty and meanwhile a re-raise seems like overplaying versus the deeper opponent. But then I realized we're only going to have a PSB left for the turn. I mean, what's our plan? Just to wait for a blank and then shove? See if she donks on a blank in a protected pot and then get away from our hand? Are we ever not getting in the rest of the chips if she checks a blank? Kinda running into commitment issues here, no?

I definitely bet the turn. Admittedly, it looks super strong in a protected pot. But at least get the ball rolling with a bet she just can't fold to, like even a $50 one where she's getting like 5.5:1.

I don't think we can look bluffy on the river as it is a protected pot. Think I'm fine with our smallish bet just hoping to get paid off by Ax or whatever cuz she clearly has very little given her checks on the later streets.

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I'd bet turn, to set up a river jam.

River, unless V1 understands how A5 fits into your pre flop range, I'd probably bet bigger on river.

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Yep, I definitely should have bet turn. I knew it at the time, but then second-guessed myself and thought it would look too strong and really wanted her spade to come.

She tanked on the river then asked me if I boated up and eventually folded. I didn't see it, but she and the guy next to her said she had the K-high flush. No idea what she was thinking on flop -- she was probably trying to trap me. LOL. V2 had Js8s and huffed out of the room.

What don't you like about pre? $10 to $15 was normal for this game, and with three limps, $15 seemed good. Higher end w/o bloating too much. Is flop to big or too small? Seemed about right to me -- get the big spades and other aces to call for a not-great price.

Not sure what you mean about not raising OTF?

Feel free to decline to respond if you'd rather not say. And, I know this is a long-shot, but by any chance, do you comment on Bart Hanson's videos using the username EllieBanks333? Your self-description and hand history remind me of her comments.

Back to the hand - on monotone boards, it seems like most opponents aren't calling a bet with 1P or straight draws. The calling range is dominated by flopped flushes, strong flush draws, and 2P/sets that can make boats.

I love the 2/3 pot bet on flop, to build a pot. When you bet, she calls, V2 jams, you call, and then she calls again, that's either a strong made hand, or a hand that can improve to be very strong, like the nut flush, nut flush draw, or 2P/sets. But given the action, it's heavily weighted towards the flopped nut flush.

When you boat up on the turn, assuming V2 isn't limp-calling pre and double-flatting the flop with AA or 95, you're only losing to 99. I'd think 99 would be raised pre, at least sometimes, or just jam behind V1 on the flop, at least some of the time. For those reasons alone, I think we need to bet turn, but especially given the remaining stack depth, if we want to get stacks in by the river.

We don't need to wait or pray for another spade to dribble off, because even if one does, it becomes less likely you'd be shoveling money in with a worse flush, not more likely, when the board is paired.

If I'm doing the math right, she had $225 left when the pot was $225. We can bet as little as 1/3 pot, $75, making the pot $375, leaving her $150 behind. She'd be insane to fold to a river jam, getting 3.5 to 1, unless the board pairs again. I might actually make it any amount between $75 and $100 on the turn. The pot would be $375-$425, and she'd have $125-$150 left. She might even realize she'll be pot committed if she calls, and jam over your bet.

Nice hand!

Thanks. I am not EllieBanks -- whoever that is 😉 I'd like to meet her!

Me too. She seems like a smart lady and a helluva player. We've had some great exchanges in the comments under Bart's videos. Apparently she mostly plays home games, generally higher stakes. Your OP really reminded me of her.

I would jam flop over the shorty shove.

Bet that $75 OTT and snap shove river imo.

Pre seems fine.

Am I the only one reading the flop correctly as montone?
Flop I'd probably check, maybe bet small to induce from KsX hands. Blocking top pair and no spade isn't great though.
After V2 shoves you kind of have to raise if you aren't folding, otherwise it'll be a dry side pot on the turn and any bets look strong af. It's kind of a weird/annoying spot though.
Also if we know V2 has a flush it's a bad call, even for 45 into 180 with 2 cards to come. Maybe we can get some extra from V1, but I'm making sure I'm not the only one who sees this board?

On turn we have the obvious problem ... dry side pot and any bet looks strong. On the other hand we are strong now. I don't mind checking at least some of the time.

Would bet more on the river. No matter what you do it won't look that bluffy, because again dry side pot, and I doubt V is going to spazz bluff with KsX now if you bet small ... don't think anything less than shove gets called more often enough, so just shove and hope V doesn't have 99.

You are not the only one.

Given the flop action, I'd think V1 has a flush, top pair, or at least some hand with the Ks in it, maybe AxKs. The way hero played it, it also looks like hero has a flush. When we boat up on the turn, I'd think we could just bet for value, and expect to get called a lot.

no way she folds K high flush, load of crap
pre fine
flop fine, don't listen to those who want to bet less, we know chasers will pay
turn bet bet bet

I totally believe she did, especially since the guy sitting next to her saw her hand and confirmed. She really tanked.

I definitely should have bet the turn :(

That's not how math works. AcTs is over 52% on the flop vs. our hand, AcKs is almost 54%.
On the other side we are destroyed by random J high flushes.

I would raise more pre with the number of caller, and also bet the turn - a spade might also kill action if he has a baby flush anyway.

As played, I think the river bet was fine after he checked twice, maybe go an even hundo.