Stack off threshold w/AKo
1/3 NL no max.
ffective stack $480
Btn straddle.
SB/BB call
Hero (UTG) AKi raises $25
Local 2/5 pro ($1500).. 3B $100.
This is the 2nd time I ve been 3B by villain
How do the solvers suggest this should be played?
17 Replies
Shove, forget the solver. If this pro playing 1/3 has AA then rebuy.
Solver would tell you to shove. The more pro he is the better your shove.
Solvers will remove JJ and even QQ before they remove AK so that is not consistent with what I've seen.
I had one the other day—LJ opened for $10, I 3-bet TT in the Small Blind to $35, and LJ shoved.
I asked for a count and decided if it was less than $150 I’d call and more than that I’d fold. (It was $180, I folded, and he had KK lol.)
…On this hand: I don’t think a Solver is going to be any help in a game where a standard UTG open is 8.5x.
This spot is so non standard that it is not worth plugging it in a solver. Just because he is a pro and 3bet you twice doesn't tell you much about villain.
You should try to figure out what range he has and what he does with that range, call or fold to jam, to figure out if it is profitable or not.
I limp in but that's my style.
What is the position of the 3better? What did he show / what happened last time he 3bet us? Over what period of time was that? What is our image?
With him being a pro and thus likely 3betting a wider range than most, and not knowing all the other details that could easily sway things, I would probably lean to a shove. But lots of things could sway me to a nitty fold too.
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Shove or fold. I vote shove.
You have to either shove or fold. You can't put in about 20% of your stack and then fold if you miss and he c-bets. If he's a pro and you think he can 3-bet lighter, then this is a shove all day. If he can get you to fold AK, you're folding way too much and the pro will run you over. I understand that it's high variance, but shoving here can prevent him from abusing you in position with 3 bets.
This seems like such an easy shove. If we fold in this spot which hands are we not folding with?
With the straddle on, you are effectively 80bb deep here, and there is a bit of dead money involved as well with the two limps and the straddle. I am really happy to get it in with AKo here. Seems like a much better option than calling and being OOP against a skilled player who may have a wider range than most. I don't think I would even consider folding.
With the straddle on, you are effectively 80bb deep here, and there is a bit of dead money involved as well with the two limps and the straddle. I am really happy to get it in with AKo here. Seems like a much better option than calling and being OOP against a skilled player who may have a wider range than most. I don't think I would even consider folding.
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It's a shove or fold spot.
Against a 2/5 pro, I'd be more inclined to shove, especially if he's just been 3B'ing relentlessly, as in, too often for him to always have it. If the first time he 3B you was an hour ago, maybe he does have it.
I mostly think it's a shove vs a pro, but some, "pros," are really imbalanced.
We're breaking even BEFORE RAKE if villain's range is exactly AQo+, AQs+, TT+, and if he folds TT and AQ. If he calls TT to a jam it is losing, and if he doesn't have TT at all, it is losing. If the game is raked, it's losing either way. Villain probably needs at least AJs, ATs, KQs full frequency, folding those hands to a shove.
So ideally, you have seen villain 3bet very aggressively with all the above mentioned hands and more, like KQo, A5s, QJs, etc. Ideally, you have not seen him flatting with those hands.
I think most of us will take it for granted that a pro will have all these hands when he 3bets. But if that's not the case and villain is just a very tight winning player, we definitely should think twice before shoving here.
This is what you should be thinking about here, not what solvers would say.
I might consider calling the raise and playing postflop - the problem is if you jam he's going to fold all worse hands and call better, so the profitability only comes from him 3bing a wider range that will fold a lot. If you call the raise you get to play postflop vs a weaker range - SPR is short but keeping weaker hands in sounds beneficial to me. Furthermore in a live 1/3 game esp with a straddle on I would be very concerned with what someone is 3bing to 100 with - I honestly don't like shoving here.
Shoving AK is almost never bad.
Calling a shove with AK is often bad.