[LOW] 1/3 weird hand.

I limp in but that's my style.

Kinda hate the preflop result; bloated pot, OOP, multiway with different stack / commitment depths, and a deep player with position on us. Because I hate these types of situations, I do something different prefop.

Anyhoo, I would either bet small or check the flop, and probably mostly checking this multiway OOP (with an eye just on attempting to get to showdown for relatively cheaply). As played, I would also fold to this flop action; UTG's raise with a couple still to react behind his is strong, as is Button's flat.

Yes, UTG's postflop play is insane. And even though I don't hate how we played it postflop, in the end we made a massive mistake (folding the best hand in a big pot). And it is hard to win overall if we make a massive mistake or two per session. So the key for me (a non expert) is to (a) get myself into good situations preflop (while avoiding poor ones) and (b) attempt to get to showdown postflop with showdownable hands without putting in massive amounts of $$$ with mediocre holdings.

Ggoodluck!G

Hey OP, don’t post results for 24 hours because they bias the evaluation…especially in this hand.

Some reads would help. Hero’s best course of action depends on whether Vs are loose or tight.

Raise more preflop. At least to 25.

I’m with GG on the flop. The raise followed by the call means your TPTK is no good most of the time. Don’t let results fool you.

What's the normal open size without a straddle? With straddle on I would have thought you should open to 20+.

OOP multiway with a hand that doesn't need a huge amount of protection (yes there are diamond draws but the Ad is on the board and you have Kd) I'd be inclined to do a lot of checking, but it's going to check through a lot so betting can't be bad.

I would fold to the raise however. You're hoping that they have something like 76dd/54dd or a weaker Ace) and the call by the other guy is surely QXdd or something like A4. You're almost certainly behind with a flush draw in there as well and almost no ways to improve.

Note that V2 button can have ~ATC preflop given odds.

Preflop I would go larger since we are out of position to the button straddle, like 18. Flop I usually go 25% or check multiway. Having Kd makes this a decent hand to check call sometimes imo since we can continue on diamond turns.

No way we can fold to the small raise from a short stack when bith villains can have worse Ax, draws, etc.

And I agree, don't post results for at least 24 hours if not longer to get more objective advice.

Go bigger pre-flop -- $20. Bigger on flop. Don't ever fold on this draw-y board. A few reads would be nice, too.

Okay so reads.

UTG was playing super tight. This was his first action at the table in over an hour.

BTN ,- No reads.

Typical opening raise with or with out straddle was $15-25. The majority of players were over $750 effective. In this game the action started to the player on the immediate left of the BTN so in this case I was second to act which is why I chose $15. I probably could've gone $20.

My flop fold. I was befuddled by the action. UTG was basically rep'ing 2P and sets. BTN on a draw of some kind (combo str8 and flush or just flush). Who knows, maybe he flats with a set waiting to see how I act.

I felt that UTH was pot commiting himself based on his remaining stack of 140ish. I didn't see him ever folding if I 3! nor did I envision him not shoving most turns. If he shoves and BTN calls then I have to fold on turn.

Basically I felt I was at an inflection point in the hand where I was going to have to invest a lot on further streets vs cutting my losses.
Clearly nobody cared about what I might have had and I had been fairly quiet up to this point.

Kind of blown away by the advice itt. Im never folding flop with bdnfd and TPTK. I'm either calling or reraising enough to put UTG all in. BTN can have 88 and 44 but has a ton of naked FDs and some weaker AX and we're ahead so much here. That said I wouldnt bet so big on this flop.. 4 ways Im betting like 20$ or so. Also betting more pre. BTN can be so wide.

Button can also have A8, A4 and 84s...he's getting nearly 6/1, closing the action, in position. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced this is the most straightforward of snap folds. We're hoping that we are ahead of someone (whether tight or not) who raises flop next to act when many of the draws are removed; and that raise is called by someone who can have literally dozens of two pair combos and sets.

Folding the flop here is LMAO. You're ahead of so much here that you must call the and play a turn. Do we have any reads on the players?

Raise bigger pre. At least $25.

Flop, OOP against 3 V's, I'd just check, to let any of them stab at it, then I'd check raise. If we want to c-bet, we can go small, less than 1/3 pot.

As played, V1 shouldn't have very many 2P or set combos. V2 is almost certainly on a draw. We can have AA, AK, 88, and we block both the nut front door flush draw and backdoor nut flush draw.

Think we can raise to $240, put V1 all in, and see how much V2 likes his hand, knowing we're never folding now. If V2 calls, jam any brick turn.

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And if V2 jams against my 4! ? His FD is most certainly live because he blocks obviousl KdXd hands I would have except for KdJd.

I mean what does his think I have?

V1 super tight. I don't remember him entering a pot let alone showing down. I never expected V1 to fold after putting in 1/3 of his already short stack. V2 unknown. He was sitting on $1500 or so.

The table in general seemed to go to war with 2P+ or draws. If you want to get into stereotypes I was the lone white guy age 35-55 among a sea of Asian players of various ages (28-65). Lol

Do you know your own age?!

We've got TPTK with a blocker to the nut-flush draw, and a blocker to the backdoor nut flush draw, on a board where neither opponent should have very many 2P or sets. I think we should be happy to get stacks in here.

With the diamond in your hand, a flush draw is drawing to 8 outs at most. He'll only make his hand about 1/3 of the time. The other 2/3 of the time, he won't. In this multi-way, single-raised pot, odds are good they're both on a flush draw, further reducing the odds of either of them making their hand.

If you could go back in time, after seeing this run-out and what each V had, wouldn't you be happy to get stacks in on the flop?

If we 3B flop, V2 4B's, we call, and he makes his flush, so be it. We got our money in good. The run-out will be whatever it'll be.

Range check flop, even if you do bet, you bet too large, should bet quarter pot, as played folding flop is a punt

I think it's very difficult to comment on this hand for two reasons:

1. Results posted. People saying it's a punt to fold flop just have to be looking at the result. WTF range are people putting V1 on? If the result was V1 had A8s or 88 or whatever, everyone would be like "yeh, good fold, wp".
Yes, V2 probably "often" has a draw but then we still need V1 to also have a draw or be spewing AQ (or, I guess, any2 random no pair no draw).

2. Reads on V1: Started off with none, which kind of seems fair given results ... but then said super tight. He turns up with K high trash, no pair no draw, obv. fold on every street.

....I wouldn't worry too much about it, or maybe ask V1 what drugs he is on and get some (but probably take them while not playing).

Tight what, aggressive or passive? Assuming he has a hand that's crushing you, his raise isn't pricing out anyone with the obvious draws, so you have to evaluate what his raise means in this spot. It looks to me like your usual pot builder raise. A set or 2-pr trying to shovel money in will be raising bigger to put the lone ace to a decision.

As a general rule at these stakes, more often than not, people's bets and raises mean what they look like. Unless you run into an advanced player who balances his bets and raises, treat every bet and raise at face value.