2/5 NLHE AA in a Dbl Brd Bomb Pot
2/5, 8 handed
V is a pro (plays 5 days a week for the 5- 7 years I've known him), very tight, not prone to gimmicky plays. He has $800.
Pot=$200
Brd1: KQ3r
Brd2: K66r
3 checks to V, he bets $100. 3 folds to me and I have AA with an $800 stack.
V most likely has a 6. Maybe a bare K but unlikely. Could have a set but only the extremely unlikely Kset scoops me. Any 6X means we currently are chopping. KQ or K3 would probably get him to make this bet, but that too is a probable pot chopper. There are no FDs and it's outside of V's range to lead with a SD on only one brd.
3 folds to me and as I ruminate, it's clear everyone else will fold.
Shove, raise, fold, call?
This was not the ending to the story that I expected. Was expecting to see shove and it went wrong.
I think you need to think a lot more about where that $200 in the pot is going, because even half of it is not nothing and you can't just fold or shove AA/KJ here. Also your logic that he folds flop with 62, but somehow gets all the money in happily later on seems bad.
Also did V actually should you 62, because I'm not sure bet50%/fold 62 is the play here either.
Villain sizing is a mistake imo, since both boards are dry. $50-60 is more than enough.
Hand turns ugly pretty fast against 1 or more caller; and at low SPR its not obvious villain can bet/fold any 6.
Monikrazy -
Is your plan to try to maintain/increase FE on later streets after coaxing V to put some more money in the pot?
If so, this does make sense and may be better than shoving flop.
Obviously getting to showdown is likely to just chop it up so getting V to fold at some point is ideal.
In DBBP, you generally don't want to call for draws unless you have a piece of both boards or you're really strong on one and you want to pot build and then jam the turn. Where people get killed in this game is playing for stacks heads up suck that they are putting in 1000 to chop the 200 starter pot. That's a fool's game. You're going to get sucked out eventually, so you have to be wining one side greater than 90% of the time to break even.
So yeah, jam or fold into an open is far more comm
you're saying this like its obvious but i'm not really sure where you're concluding this from except empirical evidence from a 2/5 nl live game and you guessing? without having done any kind of math or solver work on the game im pretty sure solver would always prefer a smaller raise size than jam (to play over multiple streets, esp in position as it's better for value and lets you have bluffs) and is always going to have a range of hands that has equity to call 100 but doesn't want to play for stacks. theres an ok series on rio about double board bomb pots by hunter cichy and the conclusion is definitely not raise or fold from every position regardless of hand str / spr / position / bet sizing
Villain sizing is a mistake imo, since both boards are dry. $50-60 is more than enough.
Hand turns ugly pretty fast against 1 or more caller; and at low SPR its not obvious villain can bet/fold any 6.
i think its supposed to be even smaller but people play these insanely poorly (as they do any game without much content available for them)
Monikrazy -
Is your plan to try to maintain/increase FE on later streets after coaxing V to put some more money in the pot?
If so, this does make sense and may be better than shoving flop.
Obviously getting to showdown is likely to just chop it up so getting V to fold at some point is ideal.
Just following geometric sizing basically gets us all in by river. We get to see what villain does first. We may shove turn over villain lead.
i think its supposed to be even smaller but people play these insanely poorly (as they do any game without much content available for them)
Yes, i agree and was implying as much when I wrote more than enough. It would be interesting to see how many 6x solver likes checking from early positions in bomb pots though, it might prefer close to a range check.
