Line check with flopped bottom boat at 1/3 vs 2 loose V's.

Line check with flopped bottom boat at 1/3 vs 2 loose V's.

1/3. 9 handed. $500 max.

V1 / UTG - Mid-20's male. Not sure, but maybe Latino. Never seen him before. Seemed like a bit of a loose-passive rec-fish, playing too wide pre and too sticky post, but on an unbelievable heater, to include making quads TWICE in less than an hour. Haven't seen him bluff, but also haven't seen him do anything very aggressive for value. Sitting to hero's direct left, starting the hand around $800 eff, but doesn't stack his chips neatly, so hero isn't sure exactly how much he has.

V2 / BTN - 30'ish Asian male. Played with him once before this session. Super wide pre, especially in LP. Fairly sticky post. Super luck-box, always seeming to make some ridiculous hand on turn or river. Seems to think hero just never has a hand, and that I'm always bluffing. Never seen him bluff. He'll over-fold to check-raises, and tends to dial up the aggression as soon as he makes his hand, rather than slow-playing. Currently having a bad day. Possibly tilted. Started the hand with $455.

I've probably lost over $1k to these two V's collectively, when they show up with some marginal strength hand that most players would have folded pre or on the flop, and I either barreled into them with too-thin value, or I gave up with a bluff that might have gotten through if I just fired that last bullet (or maybe not, so I might have saved myself some money by not barreling).

Hero / BB - 50's white dude. TAG'ish, with lapses into LAG'ish. Haven't gotten out of line recently. Started the session stuck, but recently running well, getting close to even, starting this hand around $700.

OTTH...

V1 opens to $10 from UTG (a little smaller than what most people were opening, typically $12 or $15). Folds to BTN who calls. SB folds. Hero calls with 66 (suits not relevant).

FLOP ($30) - 996rb.

H x, V1 $15. BTN calls. H calls.

(Is anyone donking out here, or check-raising?)

TURN ($75) - 996 8xx (can't remember the suits, only that a BDFD comes in).

H donks $50 (yay? nay? different size?). V1 doesn't think too long before calling. BTN likewise doesn't think too long, and calls.

RIVER ($225) - 99683 (no flush completion).

H $150. V1 again doesn't tank before calling. V2 doesn't hesitate too long, then jams all in for his remaining $380. Hero almost vomits as he goes into the tank.

Hero? Anyone folding here? Anyone re-jamming?

I don't think V2 is ever bluffing here, and I was struggling to find worse value hands that would raise. Based on our previous history, I'd have expected him to raise trip 9's on flop or turn, and raise T7 on turn. I thought he might slow-play a weak 9x combo like T9 or 97 that blocked the straight draws, but wasn't sure he's thinking on that level.

I had no idea what V1 had, but didn't think he'd be opening UTG with any 9x holding, other than maybe A9s. Wasn't sure if he opens 88 or just limps in. I was mostly putting him on over-pairs that didn't know what to do when I donk bet turn, but might now fold to the BTN jam.

I've only ever folded a boat once that I can remember, and it was super-obvious that I was beat that time. But this seemed like a spot to possibly hero-fold.

Against more normal opponents, I'd be pretty sure I had V1 beat, and I could maybe make an argument for re-jamming to create a side-pot and recoup some of whatever I might be losing to V2.

Here, I wasn't sure if it was worth it against a passive V. I was thinking if I re-jam and V1 calls, I might get $250-ish from him, and this debacle will only end up costing me $210, whereas if I fold, it'll cost me $225. Or I might lose it all, and I'll want to go lay down in traffic.

08 May 2024 at 09:45 PM
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