2/5 shipped into on dynamic river
V1 ($500) loose, somewhat aggressive but not insanely so postflop. Saw him raise ep K7o, bet KJ4 flop, check A turn, bet 7 river
V2 ($350) like his 5th hand Got stacked his first hand by calling down with third pair (he called a raise otf with ace high and hit 3rd pair ott and called turn and river)
V3 irrelevant
Hero (covers): been 3 betting a lot, previous hand i raised flop with oesd and it got to showdown
V1 raises $20 LJ
V2 calls btn
V3 calls sb
Hero calls BB K8dd
Flop ($80) 752r checks thru
Turn 4d giving me fd. Check check check, V2 goes $20 V3 folds, i go $70 (probably too small) V1 calls, V2 calls
River ($290) 7d, hero bets $90, V1 jams $400. V2 angry (???) calls for less. Hero ?
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You do not have the best hand, sir.
Why are you raising turn against a tilted station? He gave us such a good price.
As played fold river, seems unlikely we are good 3 ways.
Is preflop a standard call 4-way?
I'd fold here more often then not, but maybe I am just wrong.
As played, flop is standard.
Multiway and after this action, not a big fan of the C/R ott, I'd probably just call.
I'b bet/fold bigger on the river, like ~150 in this case.
As played, seems like a fold.
I want to call here. Guessing you have V2 beat so I'm not concerned about his overcall and it gives you a better price.
Can't V1 jam river with a worse hand for value? He is a loose and aggro opponent facing a very small river bet. He's not going to jam here with Q6dd or 98dd? I would think a set would 3bet turn and/or bet flop at some frequency so he doesn't have all the FH combos. Even a loose opponent isn't going to raise pre with a hand like 74o either.
Also think I would just jam river myself after hitting the flush? V1 has worse flushes that will call off (as well as maybe straights or a hand like 76s) and V2 has tons of BS that will call off.
Depending on rake structure, pre is a fold. Would prefer K2s since we unblock some of the combos that we can flush over flush (98s, 87s, etc)
Turn is a lead for a small size, but the x/r isn't terrible since BTN stabbed for a small size. But vs a big size we would want to fold more, which imo is why we prefer to lead.
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PRE - a little loose, but fine given the price and your reads.
FLOP - pretty standard.
TURN - think I'd prefer to donk lead rather than check raise. We can show up with any two cards in the BB, allowing us to rep 2P+ here, looking for value or protection. I could see betting $50 or $60 here.
RIVER - tough decision after we check raised turn. We were repping 2P+ for value, not a flush draw. V1 seems to be repping a boat, or at least a flush. But his line is weird, when he checks back flop and turn and calls your check raise over V2's bet. What boats does he have with that line? Is he calling the turn with all his XXdd?
Maybe he gets here with some ace-wheel of diamonds combo that picked up the ISSD on turn. But that's just two combos, right?
I dunno. Hard to think he's getting to the river with 2P or a set that boats up after he checks back flop and turn. Hard to think he's getting there with a worse flush. But also hard to think he's got very many better flushes, unless he's got some ace-wheel combo.
It's close, with your likely image, but I think I'd fold here.
I would fold the river, even if he had a NF ppl don't usually raise with paired boards, and it's possible he was slow playing something on a safe flop
Is preflop a standard call 4-way?
I'd fold here more often then not, but maybe I am just wrong.
I agree, but V1 should be pretty wide there so for me I would likely 3bet pre. I would call if there were a couple more callers or possibly if there were any early limpers.
Hard to think he's getting to the river with 2P or a set that boats up after he checks back flop and turn. Hard to think he's getting there with a worse flush. But also hard to think he's got very many better flushes, unless he's got some ace-wheel combo.
This part, especially the first part was my thinking during this decision. Did he check back flop AND turn in LP with 2p+?
And jamming with the nut flush is kind of weird too. Like he definitely could have it, but i feel like if he jams with the nut flush he also jams with weird stuff like trips?
Is preflop a standard call 4-way?
I'd fold here more often then not, but maybe I am just wrong.
As played, flop is standard.
Multiway and after this action, not a big fan of the C/R ott, I'd probably just call.
I'b bet/fold bigger on the river, like ~150 in this case.
As played, seems like a fold.
My 2 cents is that Axs Kxs plays well multiway. Its definitely more marginal with a 4x raise than a 3x raise, i actually do lean 3 bet here, and call a bit, fold a bit, depending on opponents.
With my action and image up to this point, im not 3 betting, and id probably lean fold here but ive been calling a BIT more wide from the BB in these borderline spots just generally because I realized I dont have a lot of experience as the cold caller from BB just because I do tend to 3b or fold to these big sizings, and im willing to play for a call in some of these marginal spots to get a little experience, because I end up in these spots more at 5/T.
This part, especially the first part was my thinking during this decision. Did he check back flop AND turn in LP with 2p+?
And jamming with the nut flush is kind of weird too. Like he definitely could have it, but i feel like if he jams with the nut flush he also jams with weird stuff like trips?
Trips, like 76, or 87 maybe. Yeah, I could see that, when he has top pair and turns a straight draw. But jamming trips over your river bet when the flush comes in is pretty wild.
I just realized I misread the turn action. He could have some boats here, like 75s. He doesn't 3B turn because you can have a straight or a set with 44, but he can't fold, and boats up. He's crushing your worse boats, flushes, and straights.
Seems like your line is so strong that he can't be bluffing, and I can't imagine he's raising worse for value.
It sucks, but I think I just fold.
ETA - actually I didn't misread the turn action. I got confused between V1 and V2. So, yeah, it's really weird for him to check flop and turn with 2P that boats up. Seems like he's over-playing the nut flush, or slow played something and got an amazing run-out.
ETA 2 - dude, this line is so strange. You were repping 2P+ on the turn. You could be boated up here. Jamming the nut flush is wild.
I dunno. This line doesn't make a ton of sense, unless maybe he's putting you on exactly a straight, and he's trying to run a PLO style bluff with trips, trying to rep a boat. But that's just not a play many people attempt at low stakes hold'em.
Trips, like 76, or 87 maybe. Yeah, I could see that, when he has top pair and turns a straight draw. But jamming trips over your river bet when the flush comes in is pretty wild.I just realized I misread the turn action. He could have some boats here, like 75s. He doesn't 3B turn because you can have a straight or a set with 44, but he can't fold, and boats up. He's crushing yo
Well, this made me feel better about my call. I think it was a fold, but yeah feels like his line made zero sense.
Results, V1 had 55 for flopped set (wtf, how does he check back that turn and cold call a check raise?)
3bet squeeze pre
Well, this made me feel better about my call. I think it was a fold, but yeah feels like his line made zero sense.
Results, V1 had 55 for flopped set (wtf, how does he check back that turn and cold call a check raise?)
Wow. That is wild, for him to play 55 like this, when multi-way.
Obviously he's never folding a boat, but with the odds you were getting pre, you could have any two in the BB. You could play 74 or 72 this way, and he gets stacked.
This hand was not an easy decision at all. My gut said fold, but poker theory brain said his line was fishy AF. Maybe it's just one of those spots where we have to accept that we're beat, even if we have no idea how.
I think it's easy to lose money in spots where our opponents' lines don't make sense.
I don't think I'd be checking a flopped middle set as the pre-flop raiser on a 7-high flop. I can't imagine I'd check the flop AND turn. Check-calling a bet and a raise when the BDFD appears on the turn, with two different straight draws on board too, is really gambling.
Gotta hand it to the guy. He took a very unconventional line, and got max value as a result.