1/3/straddled to 15, KK in BB

1/3/straddled to 15, KK in BB

Playing 1/3, BTN straddles to $15.
Hero is in the BB w/ KK and has $620 eand covers the other stacks. Worth noting hero bluffed the UTG villain out of a pot earlier after completely whiffing 45s, showed the bluff and villain was definitely bothered.

UTG ($550) calls the straddle and so does the hijack ($350). Both villains were playing pretty tight/passive the whole game. BTN (shorter than I'd realized) checks.
Hero raises it to $50 From BB. UTG and HJ call with reluctance. BTN shoves for $84
Hero tries to 3bet to 200 but learns he can’t bc the BTN all in wasn’t a complete raise. UTG and HJ both call.

Pot: $~330
Flop J35r
Checks around

Turn 7
Hero?

02 June 2024 at 08:37 PM
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Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as they bias people's advice. I edited them out. Please let discussion go on at least 24 hours before revealing.

Also, we need some clarification 1) on stacks, as you are not $620 effective if you cover the other stacks. Effective is how deep you are with them, so if you cover, their stacks are the effective ones and we need to know them. 2) did CO check/jam, or does the order in straddled pots go oddly in your venue, and 3) did UTG and HJ call after CO's shove?

All this said, your first raise is considerably too small. Pot is $60 with your call, and you raised only $35 more. You should raise at least pot-sized, and likely an extra straddle for being OOP. I know you want action, and the exact sizing depends on the effective stacks with each V, but anything under $100 is definitely too small.

As for post-flop action, it depends on stacks too much for me to comment, but with pot already at ~$330 (depending on rake), it seems likely stacks are going in at some point, unless everybody whiffed badly. The big problem here is that your small bet pre both gave them good odds to mine and yet with so many Vs made a pot you can never fold an overpair on, especially when it is this dry.


Don't post results for 24 hr

Since I saw the results I'll just say: Too small pre. I go 90 if the straddle isn't short stacked, but you definitely want to put the straddle all in here


Thank you both for the input. Noted about posting results. 100% see why I should have raised bigger in the first place. I think I need to do a better job at really thinking what my goals are with a bet.
To answer some of your questions - Utg had about $550 and HJ had about $350 if I remember right. Im starting to think the straddle was actually on the button. I think action was UTG call, HJ call, Btn check, Hero BB raise 50, Utg call, Hj call, btn all in for $84, hero tries to raise to $200, but cant so calls, Utg call, Hj call.

Out of curiosity, if I had raised to $100, and got calls from Utg, Hj, and CO, would I shove flop here being OOP? Should I check/call an all in?

Trying to figure out the best method to record my hands at the table.
Again thanks for the input I learned a lot from this hand.


I typically like to offer poor 8:1 IO if I can preflop with TP type hands. So $550 effective against UTG, this would be a raise of $70 on top of the $15 for $85 preflop. We offered far too good of IO to UTG with our small raise size (which is really meh when setting up SPRs we likely can't fold to postflop).

As played, looks like the pot is about $340 with stacks of $465 and $265 left. Even though we should easily be read as never bluffing into into 3 opponents in a protected pot, we still need to protect our equity. On a more drawy flop we could probably just shove. On this flop I'd probably just bet $200 or whatever and get the rest in on the turn.

Regarding hypothetical, same sort of thinking applies, except a shove is a bit more reasonable on a drawless board due to only having a ~PSB left.

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Who opened the action? If a button straddle then it often starts with SB opening but it sounds like it started with UTG, went round and skipped the button who acted last?

Either way, 50 would be a reasonable size if there were no limpers but way too small with limpers. Note that one of the limpers (HJ) is only 20-odd straddles deep even if the button doesn't come along so you're getting your money in with them on pretty much any flop regardless.

Flop - pot is 330ish, CO/button is all in, HJ has 270 left and UTG has a bit more than a pot sized bet left. Checking is reasonable but I'd rather but in a little bet before an overcards comes and scares away their Jx. 100 will do and then you can just shove the turn.

As played I'd probably go with the same plan on the turn - small bet now and shove most river cards. You could also just jam now.


Grunch: bigger pre -- amore like $75. I assume both players called? Bet the flop ($150 - $200). As played, bet the turn (same).

(Please put pot size on each street.)

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