5/5 river bluff 3b pot
5/5
~$700 effective
V- young Asian reg. Every reg in the casino respects this guy, but I’ve never really seen him do anything particularly smart or impressive. He often sits with a short stack, which I think is terrible given the rake structure. But okay, let’s assume he is good.
limp, limp, Hero(CO) J♠T♠ raises to $30, V(BU) 3bet to $120, Hero calls
Flop($260) K♥ T♥ 7♠
Hero x, V bets $80, Hero calls
Turn($420) A♠
x x
River ($420)
Hero($500) - ???
That's a good spot for bluffing, right? Almost any 5/5 villain is capped here. Nobody really x the turn for balance with AA, AK, etc. I can get him off Kx, QQ, and JJ.
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Yeah i cant imagine AK AA KK TT checks back that turn. QJ might. Ax might, but im not sure Ax snaps off a river jam on a blank unless he hit it for 2 pair. Question is what are you repping? QJ exactly? AT maybe? If the kid is as good as they say maybe he traps you or calls with JJ QQ lol.
Not gonna say its like an awesome bluff, but Im fine ripping it.
Noob question - what do you mean by short stack is bad with rake structure? I sometimes start with short stack (about 50BBs) as I get used to the table etc. I have a tendency to be over-aggressive in first hour or so, and the short stack forces me to play better. Mostly play like tournament style.
Another question - why did you call pre? at $5/$5, V's range is pretty tight and JTs doesn't play that well against that OOP, no?
As played, I prefer a check, and evaluate. I think there are many combos here. I tried mostly nutted range, and we have only ~$33% chance of winning. He will be getting 500:920 pot odds, roughly 1:2. Seems like a bad shove, no? Would you add more hands to his range?
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Even with a bit wider range, also assuming, no AA, KK, AKs, AKo in the hand, they still have ~50% chance of winning, so check better?
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Depends a little on what the river is, but a bet will often take it down here. I don't like the call pre, though.
How does V see you?
I probably fold JTss preflop. If we had a stronger hand like AQ offsuit, KQdd, TT, etc...I would 4bet jam pre.
JTss isn't strong enough to continue here even with the probably wide ranges in this preflop spot.
Noob question - what do you mean by short stack is bad with rake structure? I sometimes start with short stack (about 50BBs) as I get used to the table etc. I have a tendency to be over-aggressive in first hour or so, and the short stack forces me to play better. Mostly play like tournament style.
Another question - why did you call pre? at $5/$5, V's range is pretty tight and JTs doesn't play that well against that OOP, no?
As played, I prefer a check, and evaluate. I think there are many combos
Generally the first $50-60 of a pot gets raked and the rest of the pot is “free”. So for a shorty they have to beat a rake that makes up a higher percentile of their average hand’s pot size. Its not necessarily true though cuz you might take more down preflop, and you might have a bigger edge as a short stacker rake or not.
Yeah, but not only that. If you play a capped game and a giant whale doubles up to $1000, you just missed out on value if you're sitting with the $500 max. I feel like we need to reach the highest stack possible in capped games to cover all the bad players.
With $500 you can reach $1000 much quicker.
Yeah, but not only that. If you play a capped game and a giant whale doubles up to $1000, you just missed out on value if you're sitting with the $500 max. I feel like we need to reach the highest stack possible in capped games to cover all the bad players.
With $500 you can reach $1000 much quicker.
Eh, I think this is at least somewhat wishful thinking. The most likely people to be deep stacked are the strongest players at the table. Especially at 200+ BB tables. I personally usually buy in for 80-100 BBs with another 100 BB in my pocket and add on to 200 depending on table stacks. I find it so strange when people just sit down, 2 deep stacked good players directly IP to them and 2 shallow stacks directly OOP to them, and they just blindly sit down with the max.
I also think theres something to be said for knowing your strengths. I find that i think I am either even or have an edge against most of the pros 100 BB deep and i am at a disadvantage 200+ BBs deep. I find that my natural game skill is somewhat higher but my lack of experience relative to the pros in poker puts me at a disadvantage in especially rare spots, and there are more rare/weird spots 200 BBs deep.
To each their own, but i certainly wouldnt be heaping praise on the poker prowess of a guy who buys in 40 BB deep, thats for sure.
Yeah, a 200bb cap is a completely different story.
At a 100bb cap stacks are shallow. A lot of people just gamble, and fish get to 200bb quite often, making it frustrating when you're stuck with $500. I even think switching tables with $1000+ might be a mistake because you’ll be sitting at the new table with $500 again.
When the game goes late into the night, usually at least one fish will have a deep stack, and by that time, we want to be able to cover it.
That's an interesting topic to discuss btw
Well, i got >400 bb deep with a drunk lagtard yesterday and he paid dearly for it, he was probably >1k bb deep at the start of the hand, so yeah theres certainly times id like to be especially deep.