2/5 I was exploited
Tight asian nittyish reg opens EP 20. I call with AQo on BTN, SB Calls.
Flop QTT. Think I bet 15 into 60ish both call.
Turn 8. Checks around.
River 7. Checks to me I bet 30, SB calls, V raises 230.
I fold and SB folds. Usually this V is very ABC and passive.
V shows a single J, after the hand he claims he had JJ and knew if he could get me off a Q he would win cause the SB would fold as well. V has a lot of history with me and is somewhat annoyed with me cause I usually take his money, either through betting and always having it or recklessly bluffing and sucking out. I tried to tell him he must have J9 or JT, but after further discussion about it it seems he might have actually had JJ.
So in the future I should check back this river to avoid this V pushing me off my hand cause it's hard to get called by much worse anyways? I used a small size to try to get called by KQ KJ A8 with bdfd A7 with bdfd. His line on the river didn't make a ton of sense cause I would usually expect him to bet a full house or strong hand on the river after the turn checked through and my flop bet was tiny. So maybe I should have called, but he usually has it when he bets.
Think I might fold pre in the future to this V as well as his EP range might be 99+ and AQ+ or even tighter possibly
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I don’t love any of your previous decisions, but your River is a pretty clear value bet (that folds to a check-raise). We want to target JJ, 99, 98, KQ, QJ, etc. The presence of a third player makes a river check-back not completely horrible, but it’s so unlikely the SB has checked behind a better hand twice that we really need to seek value.
And yeah. Sometimes we’ll get bluffed. But you can’t let that scare you from seeking value.
Your flop and river sizings are tiny and make it look like you have a Q.
pre is a fold
check flop and try to get someone to stab the turn w/worse.
I would need more of a read to fold preflop in position. I would also check/calling, but bet/folding larger might be good. With the tiny bets and the turn check, it is so face up you have a Q. That is why you got exploited.
Pre-flop is a fold on the button? Huh?
Tight asian nittyish reg opens EP 20. I call with AQo on BTN, SB Calls.
Flop QTT. Think I bet 15 into 60ish both call.
Turn 8. Checks around.
River 7. Checks to me I bet 30, SB calls, V raises 230.
I fold and SB folds. Usually this V is very ABC and passive.
So in the future I should check back this river to avoid this V pushing me off my hand cause it's hard to get called by much worse anyways? I used a small size to try to get called by KQ KJ A8 with bdfd A7 with bdfd. His line on the river didn't
Your flop bet is kind of pointless. It doesn't give you any information. either check it or bet something larger.
The guy who showed only one jack probably had 10J, didn't raise all along and then made a massive. That someone says they bluffed you doesn't mean they bluffed you. If he was that proud of it, he would have showed more than a jack.
I raise preflop all day.
As played pre, your flop bet IP seems fine.
I'd rather bet/fold this turn, and check back river in case.
As played turn, river is a mandatory value bet, probably going bigger than you did, like ~50-60.
Obvious fold to the raise.
BTW, a nit is never turning JJ into a bluff.
It is much more likely that a nitty player deviated from nittiness preflop for a small bet than on the river for a big bet. Agree that showing one J is planting doubt.
Preflop I would try to figure out if this is a 3bet or fold (if V is super nitty).
Preflop is fine in general, but explo fold against described villain will save you some money.
I don't see the merit in betting the flop small. We're not betting with a wide range, this bet doesn't deny enough equity from random broadways, and it makes it harder to get paid for a larger bet on a later street.
As played, I think one more $30 bet is about the right price to keep getting value for our hand, and I'm not worried about getting exploited for turning our hand face up. I'd prefer to get it on the turn to charge pair+draws before they can fully realize equity and to make it easier to skate to showdown with a river xb, whereas our lower TP prefer to xb turn and realize equity.
As played, it's an easy fold. If your read was wrong about him exploiting your face-up betsizing, then so be-it; you're not gonna make up for it by compounding the mistake.
