live 1/2 HR FL
Live 1/2- Hero $780 Stack depth in the HJ- two early limps, which was standard for this table with marginal hands-- no real strong limping range-- I rasie K9cc to $15, V in the CO 3bet to 50$
Notes on the V- stack size about $400 to start-- showed one 3 bet bluff with K7o and 56o, so I perceived his 3bet range to be fairly wide
I just flat, everyone else folds
FLOP- Qc8c2d- I check, he bets 60$ into about $110, I 3bet to $200, he thinks for awhile, and jams the rest which was about 100$ more, I call
Think I should have 4bet pre, but as played think the rest was fine
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Don’t raise 7.5x in front of a 3! monkey obvs.
Given your reads, defending a normal sized 3! after raising 2.5-3bbs would be correct with this hand (4!ing some would also be correct). But if you’re raising that size, it shouldn’t be with a range that’s so wide that K9s is defending against a 3!
You’ve got yourself in a situation where you’re basically defending a 4! OOP with K9s HJvCO, which I shouldn’t have to tell you is bad.
As played, your only two raise sizes against this bet are minraise or shove. This particular combo is a bad one to be raising a size other than shoving as worse hands are better for CiB/folding (eg AK and GSSDs), and there are too many better hands to r/c with.
Given your sizing, the last call is obviously trivial, but everything that got you there is … a learning opportunity.
Was this THR Sunday night seat 5 and seat 6?
sat night
I'm never flatting pre OOP, I'm mostly folding but vs a wide 3bettor who's already been seen 3betting K7 and 56 I would 4bet pre and of course fold to a 5bet (which should be rare if he's that wide).
I think 15 pre after 2 limpers is fine, especially with people 200 to 400 bb's deep.
Ugh...
PRE - I don't mind the raise with K9s. Flatting the 3B with that hand from OOP is pretty terrible. It should be a 4B or fold. Against most V's, I'd just fold. But if you think this guy is up to shenanigans, I'd 4B.
FLOP - Hmmm...one over, 2nd nut flush draw, and a backdoor straight draw...yeah, I think this is just a check-call, if he bets 1/3 pot or less. When he bets over 1/2 pot, I'm pretty much done with it.
If you're going to check raise, just jam.
But, really, don't check-raise here.
Going back to pre - be careful assuming a guy is 3B'ing you light just because he showed a couple light 3B's. I routinely show bluffs early in the session, just so I can mercilessly 3B or value-bet my opponents when I've got the goods.
Ok great thanks for the feedback
He jammed, my flop raise, showed QJ off
sorry but K9 suited just doesnt play well multiway vs a bunch of stations at low stakes. I'm fine using it as a 3bet bluff and stealing the blinds but the hand just has no showdown value and has to bink the flop for any playability, which is why *as played* I'd actually be ok with a light 4bet in this very specific scenario with positions/reads. Even then I'm still going to just let it go a lot, I dont want to play a low SPR hand vs a potentially competent reg with likely very little FE should I try to get spicy postflop.
On to the hand; ok so you flopped as well as we can hope to flop, but I still dont like a x/r. I just dont think we get it through enough vs V's continuing range. He's going to have a lot of top pair and bluffcatchers that dont believe we'd ever play anything worse than a set like this and trying to rep 88 and only 88 is just too narrow. If I were V I'd probably snap you off as light as 99 here. Back to your POV, with K9cc I'm going to just peel one and see if he gives up turn so I can get to river.
