Flop a junkie bottom 2-pair, turn is an Ace?

Flop a junkie bottom 2-pair, turn is an Ace?

Blinds $1-$2, game is $2-$100 spread-limit. There are a couple of limps and I raise it to $16 with 52hh in the CO. Button and BB and one limper call.

HAND HISTORY FOR VILLAIN IN BB: Old guy raised UTG to $12, Villain called in UTG1 with A5o. 5 ways, flop J75r, Old Guy c-bets $40 and V calls with bottom pair, everyone else folds. Turn is a 5 and it goes check check. River is a Jack—board J755J—Old Guy checks, and V checks back his full house, “I thought you might have a Jack!”

FLOP: 7h5c2s (pot: $50, 4-ways). BB (stack: $300).leads out with a $25 donk, limper folds, I raise to $65, a fold, BB calls.

TURN: 7h5c2s As (pot: $180, heads-up).

He checks. Do we check back, bet $100, or bet less?

01 July 2024 at 08:45 PM
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I fold pre but that's just me. As played bet like 80 ott to try and keep his med pairs in if possible. Depending on the villain, we can also check (if we don't think he's too strong) and maybe he'll donk out big otr. If not, we can bet ourselves and probably get a lighter call since we checked the turn.


obviously fold pf, bet 100 on the turn with your two pair which is basically a half pot bet.


Your raise is fine if everyone folds to raises but they don't - you do have position but your hand is just so bad that your torching money with this play at 1/2.


by davomalvolio k

Blinds $1-$2, game is $2-$100 spread-limit. There are a couple of limps and I raise it to $16 with 52hh in the CO. Button and BB and one limper call.

FLOP: 7h5c2s (pot: $50, 4-ways). BB (stack: $300).leads out with a $25 donk, limper folds, I raise to $65, a fold, BB calls.

TURN: 7h5c2s As (pot: $180, heads-up).

He checks. Do we check back, bet $100, or bet less?

RESULT: I do think checking is the correct play, but instead I tried an EXPLOIT and bet just $40 and…he folded, lol.


Preflop is awful, as several people mentioned. Turn is awful too, except against a very straightforward low stakes player. You reopen the action making a tiny bet. It looks like you are scared of the ace, so villain could bluff and take you off it.


by Playbig2000 k

I fold pre but that's just me.

It's not just you.

I'd check back the turn, what are you targetting now, A4? You've still got the river to play with, you have a medium strength hand but there just aren't enough Aces that call the flop to justify continuing.


I check back and call all river bets


by deuceblocker k

Preflop is awful, as several people mentioned. Turn is awful too, except against a very straightforward low stakes player. You reopen the action making a tiny bet. It looks like you are scared of the ace, so villain could bluff and take you off it.

True, but we are talking about a villain who checked back A5 on J755J—the odds of a guy like this turning 87 into a bluff are infinitesimal.


by davomalvolio k

Blinds $1-$2, game is $2-$100 spread-limit. There are a couple of limps and I FOLD 52hh in the CO.

Fixed that for you.


H2, fold pre; ep limp with this hand is just awful. Check flop, check turn.

I also wonder if you are a winning player. You will do better playing solidly at low stakes.


Oh wait, I posted in the wrong thread. You do the same thing over and over. You see agro whales trying to play like Dwan at low stakes. It is good you know to make plays and not just play ABC, but you need to play more solidly.


Okay, seriously then...

1. Just fold 52 pre.

2. On the flop, however we got here, I'm fast playing it. We don't mind taking it down now. That raise needs to be at least 3x, if not 4x. If we're somehow beat, I want to know that now. If we raise and V 3B's, I'm done with it.

3. On the turn, we're losing to 43, 75, 72, A7, A2, A5, and maybe some very unlikely sets that didn't 3B the flop.

Obviously 43 is never folding. I'd think 75 probably 3B's the flop. A2 probably folds flop. Maybe 72 folds if we barrel again, but all his random 7x that we want to target for value probably folds to a barrel, and all his better 2P are likely to continue, as are his sets.

While I don't love giving him a free card, I think we're probably torching money if we bet and get called. So I think the best option is to check back and see if he bets into us on the river. He'll check often enough, allowing us to go for some thin value. Otherwise, if he bets a reasonable size, our hand makes a decent bluff catcher.

Remember that the spread limit allows us to pot control. So if V bets river for $100, we can call, or fold, even getting 2.8 to 1. But if we bet $100 on turn and he raises, we have to fold. If he calls and leads the river for $100, we'll be getting almost 5:1, which will put us in a gross spot if we don't boat up.

I'd rather play a small pot with this hand.


If there are limpers to me in CO and I have a real suited connector, like T9s/87s, I am rarely folding. This is a limp behind or a raise. The purpose of the raise is mostly for deception and image, which people may not pay much attention to, but also you have as good a hand as the limpers and position. Raising 52s is much worse than limping behind with 52s, which is also bad, because you are building the pot with junk. There will usually be a multiway pot. They don't care that you were the preflop raiser, and GTO doesn't care about initiative either. I would not play suited gappers, except in special situations, or decent ones like T8s/97s limping behind or whatever.

This is even smaller than a typical 1/2 game. You make your money when they call your raises with weak hands, you call a raise with a good hand, you 3! a premium hand and get calls, or you play a speculative hand multiway and hit. You get paid off with your overpairs, TPGK, sets, etc. No need to get crazy. Just play sort of ABC, but not too predictable.

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