1/2 Hand Weird Turn Spot

I think it is close between jam now or just call. Sometimes we will be beat, but the SPR is just too low now, V is capable of bluffs, and we small bet turn which can induce a raise. I think I lean towards jam. I don't know that villain will have enough bluffs if clubs actually get there. I expect he can have clubs on the turn, but having the Ac reduces his combos. He can also have QT for open ended. People like bluffing with more equity, so open enders and flush draws. But I don't know that he is going to be bluffing turn a lot of stuff like AQ or AT without 2 clubs, and then following through on the river if a club drops.

I'm not a fan of going $15 preflop in a straight 1/2 game, especially 275 effective. I would prefer $10. The smaller size will mean we get called by weak ranges more often, but also we will get 3bet more often, and our hand can definitely continue vs a 3bet either by calling, 4betting small. Or 4bet jamming.

Flop is fine. On turn, I'm not a huge fan of the sizing. Mainly after betting the flop, we aren't going use block bet size on the turn when straights and flushes didn't complete and no overcards came out. I would just bet big, my go to size is 3/4 pot.

Also, I don't know the context in which v had 32o, but unless it is in a limped pot and v was in the BB or straddle, he doesn't sound like a winning player. He also shouldn't be cold calling a lot vs a 7.5bb raise a ton preflop. I would definitely like more info on villain to range him a little better. How much does he cold call vs 3bet and what do those ranges look like? A solid winning player may not have 54s pre very often unless he is super loose and just thinks we will outplay everyone postflop. They also might 3bet or fold with A4s. They won't have KJo and probably 3bet KJs, JJ for the most part. But if villain is significantly looser, I think that is at least relevant. Definitely for future hands.

against this player i would check the turn

bigger on flop because 1) its HU, 2) the flop hits your range, 3) his calling range is inelastic meaning he will call the same range vs 1/2 pot vs pot.

Against a player who likes to bluff I would check one of these two streets.

PRE - opening to $15 seems overly large. Is that the standard size in this game?

FLOP - seems fine.

TURN - hmmmm... I think I'd usually look at the 4h as a brick here. I don't hate barreling, but I think we might want to slow down, check, and see what V does. If we bet, it should be bigger, like 2/3 pot.

V would have to be pretty confident he had enough of an edge to float the flop with 4X. Maybe if the other two cards were clubs, we could give him Ac4c or some other 4cXc combos.

Maybe he floats flop with As4s, hoping he spikes another 4 or spade, or that he picks up the BDSD on a Q or T?

When he flat calls flop, I'm mostly giving him worse Kx or Jx for value, not 2P+. I think he probably has more bluffs than strong hands here. The problem is that our small turn bet could induce this raise with value or a bluff, and our hand isn't really all that strong. His most likely bluffs have a lot of equity.

I dunno, man. If V is mostly solid, I could see folding here. Maybe he slow played KJ, or floated with As4s. If he has value, we're drawing almost dead.

If we call, we'll have almost no fold equity if we jam river on a club runout, and I don't think he's raising here to fold to a jam on the turn.

Tough decision. I think we should probably fold and wait for a better spot.

So yes, in TX the open raise sizes live are much bigger. You'll see anywhere from $7-$35 preflop, although $12-$20 seems the most common. And even then you can be going 4-5 ways to a flop, people do NOT like folding in TX.

So when I was trying to figure out what to do on the turn I was having a hard time putting him on a 4. If I didn't have the A♣ then I could put him on A4 of clubs in that spot. But I don't really see him calling my raise with a hand that has a 4 in it preflop and then making it to the turn after I bet the flop unless he's got exactly pocket 4's.

It felt like he could have a slow-played AA, perhaps JJ or KJ suited were the value hands I was in trouble against.

Given I had seen him jam 32 on the river and show it previously I knew he was capable of playing looser and also trying to put others in difficult spots.

I guess in the moment I convinced myself he was either trying to bully me or doing it with KQ and I thought I was ahead. I figured if I just call I'm not really folding the river because of the stack to pot ratio going to the river and the strength of my hand, and I was going to be OOP so didn't think I'd get his bluffs or semi-bluffs to stack off on whiffed rivers (i.e. QT of clubs, for instance).

So I ripped it, he called and said if I had a full house I was good and the river came another 4 and I saw the bad news as he turned over 4♦ 3♦

So much for “tighter/solid player.”

So...sometimes an opponent just won't fold one pair on the flop, unless we bet huge. At low stakes, especially in loose-splashy games, I try not to completely rule out someone calling a flop c-bet with bottom pair, even on a wet board, and even when bottom pair is stupid-low.

With the Ac in our hand, and two clubs on board, I don't mind checking turn here. We don't need to be too worried about clubs coming, though I'd like it better if the Kc was on board, and the 4 was the non-flush suit card out there. We can't rule out him having KcXc, and if he's floating with 4d3d on the flop, he's probably not folding the 2nd nut flush on the river. Still, I think it's okay to check turn when the board pairs the bottom card. Even if V shouldn't have any 4x in his range, he's more likely to have some stupid 4x combo than we are, when we open +1.

You may be familiar with the Beluga theorem. Essentially, we need to re-think the relative strength of a 1P hand when facing serious aggression on the turn. We're the PFR, we opened 7.5x from +1, we c-bet 1/2 pot on a two-tone, two-Broadway board, and barreled the turn after getting called. He'd have to be a bit of a kamikaze to be bluffing or over-valuing a worse hand. We could actually have KK or JJ here, so taking his line without at least having trips seems pretty wild.

Also, even otherwise solid players can give in to the "one-time" temptation, meaning that they'll play some trashy low suited connector, expecting to stack an opponent if they get the right run-out, just that one-time.

If V thinks you're tight / solid, it would surprise me less to see him roll over JJ than 43s, but it goes to show that sometimes our reads can be pretty far off.

yeah nk. "solid" player calls an EP raise in EP with 43s with more than 5% of effective stack.... smh

I think that a good chunk of time (perhaps almost 50%?), when we see the results in hands on this forum, it doesn't compute with the initial description.

I do think part of that is people tend to peg people too quickly on small sample sizes.

against this action i like to always think that there is easier money to be gained somewhere else. just fold and ask him if he can beat ace high.

Check call ott, you block the flush draws and are a little too deep to stack off here. Shallower I would like a check jam.

Bet more otf, like 60 to 75% pot. You have the board covered.

You have a very strong range and should fold on this turn. Continue with red AK, AA, KJ, and all big draws.

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