2/5 weird spot
2/5
We all have around 800 to start
V1: don’t know him very well. Seems like a good tag. Definitely capable of bluffing
V2 elderly woman. Very unorthodox player. Will donk bet a lot. Uses small sizing a lot but won’t fold typically if raised
H: should have a tag image but haven’t been too involved
OTTH: folds to HJ who opens to 20 I call button with black 55. V2 calls SV v1 calls BB
(80) Flop 5d6d8h
V2 leads 20 v1 makes it 60 original raiser folds I call??
Have no idea what to do here
V2 calls
(240) turn As
V2 leads 25 v1 makes it 210…
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This kind of situation where you are trying to evaluate what V1 is doing relative to V2's action and your action on the flop is always weird.
On the flop V2 leads small and V1 raises. The thing is V1 made it 3 times what V2 bet but possibly doesn't realize that still isn't big relative to the pot.
On the turn, make your read and go with it. Does V1 have a real big hand and is charging V2 and hero for drawing? In that case you can squeeze out a tight fold. Mostly though it looks like V1 is afraid that V2 or hero is drawing and can be betting a wider range then just sets/straights. That being the case then hero shoving looks best. Might as well do it now and charge draws because flatting now and then folding river is going to be hard no matter what hits.
I would raise the flop to like 200, and as played just jam the turn rn.
The bottom line is we have 160 BB's so we're not terribly deep and with the many draws there (and a non-nit player raising who hero thinks has bluff in his range) I don't mind getting it in ott. He'll probably call with most of his range except an over pair but that doesn't seem too likely. If it's set over set vs 88 or 79s, it is what it is.
I think V1 is just treating V2 donk bets as a check and betting what they normally would. Especially on the turn with that joke of a 1/10 pot bet. I don't think V1 is drawing but their value range certainly can include two pair (esp A8) and stuff like A9, A7s with or without a flush draw.
Hard to fold given the way it has gone so far, and since v2 is described as sticky I would be playing for stacks. 3b flop but given you did not, raise turn.
I would raise the flop to like 200, and as played just jam the turn rn.
The bottom line is we have 160 BB's so we're not terribly deep and with the many draws there (and a non-nit player raising who hero thinks has bluff in his range) I don't mind getting it in ott. He'll probably call with most of his range except an over pair but that doesn't seem too likely. If it's set over set vs 88 or 79s, it is what it is.
I'm here as well. Raise flop, and now we're at the turn, I'm just shoving. We're only a coplete dog to better sets.
I like the flop call. Against these vs youre probably behind, so reevaluate. If a 5/6/8 peels ott i feel better about getting it in, and you might get to a cheapish showdown,
Id fold turn. This sort of action in a 4 way pot at lower stakes, youre way behind way too often. This isnt a spot where they ALWAYS have you beat, so folding feels bad but you just arent good often enough.
55 is not an exciting hand mw, but Its a fine call pre (also fine to fold) just got bad luck with the blinds coming along.
Eh, if you never folded a set, you would probably never make a noticeable blip in your WR, this is not an all broadway flop, just GII OTT.
From V1 perspective he might well think that V2 can be pushed around given description (albeit the "won't fold" bit is concerning), but he should be very concerned about your flop call (which I think is probably OK, raising also OK). Now we're seeing extreme action on the turn Both players have 97s and higher sets. You're hoping that one has a flush draw (or 87 or something) and the other has two pair, or air; given action so far that's very optimistic. Someone said "160BB isn't that deep" but this is a single raised pot, it's deep enough. I fold.
I think this is a fold and I don't think it's particularly close.
3betting flop is precisely how you run into sets or a straight. Her double donk is meaningless at this point in the hand (shes just randomly clicking buttons, probably has an overpair) so I'd treat it as a check which converts V1's raise to a turn barrel thus giving us the option to raise for value.
I sigh folded turn
I thought it was 79 in game VERY often.
I don’t think it’s a bad play either V should know when we call the flop raise we are very strong
Given this and given the turn action I think we are beat.