3-bet sizing range/rationale

3-bet sizing range/rationale

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I am smallest stack --eff $108

SB with KK

EP makes its $7, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, to me

My thinking led me to:
A pot sized bet gets me to a very low SPR even with just one caller.
or
Shove for an overbet that probably has a 20% chance of getting called and a 80% chance of just picking up the $21.

What should my thinking/range be for 3 bets sizing here?

23 July 2024 at 08:28 PM
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you don't give any info on your table image or your Vs.

If you believe they think you might be going for the steal, a shove isn't bad. If you don't shove, a normal raise would be to about $25, blinds + bet and calls. I would probably go to $35 bc I don't want 4 callers, but I do want one. But it does set up nothing but a shove on the flop and your caller in theory should know that.

This is why I don't play short stacked. But if I did, I would shove here with a range of hands that encouraged people to call me down with TT+ and AX.


As a default I would make it $35ish and if called I'd shove the remaining stack (about a pot sized bet) in on a non ace flop. A benefit of doing this over shoving is that certain opponents will think you're squeezing and reraise you back light. Of course, if your read is that people will call shoves with a wide range of hands then go ahead and shove.

As for your thinking/thought process I'd go for whatever line is most likely to get opponents to go AI with a worse hand. For me, that's the line I suggested.

Just my opinion...


As long as you make it at least 35 I don’t see how you can go wrong. But personally I would jam. People might call you lighter if they think you have a hand that’s marginal enough to want to see all 5 cards with no more betting.


I probably shove TT-QQ, AQ, AK, but I like a 3-bet to 35 for AA and KK (though shoving is hardly bad), with the assumption we shove most non-Ace flops.


Picking up approximately 20% of your stack without a flop is a fine result....


Got a hunch that just shoving here is going to be the most +EV move by a pretty wide margin. I also think you'll get called quite a bit more than you think, especially if you're regularly playing a short stack and shoving this spot as often as you should.


Don't play that with that few blinds. That's your real problem. Stay at least 100 bb deep.With such a short stack, you're limited on what you can do post flop.


You can happily play short staked in an unraked game. It may be even preferable if your preflop skills exceed your postflop ones. But in a raked game with stacks around 100, even excellent players cannot eke out a profit.


by adonson k

You can happily play short staked in an unraked game. It may be even preferable if your preflop skills exceed your postflop ones. But in a raked game with stacks around 100, even excellent players cannot eke out a profit.

I generally agree, assuming any sort of reasonable assortment of Vs. However, there is a game near me where all OMCs open the room every morning. They all buy in for $60 - 100 and most of them play 50+% VPIP. They are there for coffee and companionship.

When I play that game, I've had players yell at me and angrily cash out their chips because I'm "the luckiest sonofabitch" they ever saw. I can make a meager profit in that game but it's so small it isn't worth my time.

If they ever show aggression, I fold. If they check, I bet and very occasionally they catch me in a trap and high five their neighbors. I 3B! often to iso and they never defend without smacking the flop hard. It almost never makes sense to pay for draws bc of SPR.

I win lots of small pots, pay lots of rake, and come home with an extra $50 - 100. It's not worth my time.


I would shove. Raising to $35 looks really strong. Shoving keeps your range wider an it might look like a small/medium PP, a big ace, or two face cards trying to steal the $21 already out there. You will get looked up lighter if you shove.

That said, raising to 35 isn't terrible, especially if the 3 other players are playing deeper stacks. You could get mulitiple callers and then you can shove most flops that do not include an ace.


My rule of thumb for raise sizing is 3x the open size IP or 4x OOP, plus 1x for every caller. So that would mean 3B'ing 6x here, to $42.

I'm not 3B'ing to $42 and folding for another $66 if someone 4B jams on me, so I'm probably just going to jam all $108 in there, and pray it looks bluffy as hell. Once we get beyond 30%-1/3 starting stack with our raise size, I'm just jamming it all in.

Not sure why we think we're getting called 20% of the time. I'd say a 15x shove has a pretty low likelihood of getting called by anything that isn't AA, or at least AKs, or KK for a likely chop. If our opponents are calling a 15x shove 20% of the time, please DM me with the details of this game, so I can come sit in.

Playing short-stacked sucks, but the one thing we have going for us is that we can shove for ridiculous multiples with a surprisingly wide range, and fold out a lot of hands with a ton of equity. I'd be jamming 99+, a lot of suited aces, a fair number of unsuited aces, KQs, maybe KQo, and if I get really short, QJs.

It's hard for opponents to defend correctly against that sort of short-stack jamming range. Meanwhile, if you 3B small, you make it profitable for your opponents to flat call, see a flop, and potentially snap you off when they flop 2P+, or decide that your remaining stack size isn't enough to make them fold their draws.

I love being at the 1/3 table and seeing the short stacks calling $15 opens off <$100 stacks, then watching them fold post-flop. I hate seeing them jam >$50 over my $15 open, knowing there's nothing left behind to make it worth my calling with most of my range.


I would:

Jam w/ AQ, ATs-AJs, A5s, KTs-KQs, JTs-QJs, 88-TT

40 w/ AK

39 w/ JJ

38 w/ QQ

37 w/ KK

36 w/ AA


I think I’d go for FPS spazzy ish here, especially if your image/stack size is due to losing on the session (like decent amount losing)

Sure, we could 3b to $35-$40, but that is effectively an all in and your opponents most likely know this. If you take this route you’re shoving every flop if it’s heads up. If it’s multiway you’re in a weird spot on bad boards. Putting in almost half your stack and having to fold is gross.

I’m either:

A. flatting and then donk jamming most flops
B. Arrrrrr in now

Those options help your opponents to level themselves. The 3b pre your hand is pretty face up. Not that it necessarily stops anyone at low limit to pay you off, but with a short stack like yours I feel it is less likely they call pre.

The goal is to win the max with that stack… so let’s try and do that.

You have a short stack, the 2nd best hand evarrr… have some fun and get creative.


3 bet pre to 35, if you are in a good game most opponents are thinking oh its only 35 dollars that's not so bad I can call with whatever garbage I have, many of which hands you dominate.

Rather than thinking that looks super strong and I don't have much implied odds with short stack depth.

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