Interesting River Spot at 1/3

Cripes, how the heck does everyone get 1K+ deep in a 1/3 NL game? I've literally never seen a table like that so I'm very much out of my element, but...

Preflop obviously seems loose, but I guess it can't be horrendous this deep and on the Button.

I probably bet larger on the flop. Like no one is folding a 7x to almost any bet size and decent chance someone has a pear + draw or even better.

I actually might check back the turn. There's an old saying that someone always has JT in a multiway pot and that just got there. It's also very difficult to remain getting value from one pear hands now that an overcard has come. Plus may induce river bluffs / overvalue.

So Villain has about $750 left? Any reads? Can he put us in a blender on a busted flush draw, or he plays more ABC? Most people bet out there monsters for fear of a street checking thru, so I probably target stuff like J9/T9/97 and make a same bet (folding to a check/raise).

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Fold Pre:
Flop: Good
Turn: I like continue beting. I like size
River: Bet Small ($200), Fold to a raise

River is thin for sure, but there was a phrase that got used a lot in low stakes. "Every time we don't value bet, a little puppy dies".

*Don't be a puppy killer*

Preflop: Fold. T7s is just not enough hand to justify a call for such a giant raise.

Flop: Great call preflop 😉 . The $50 bet looks good.

Turn: Good.

River: Bet $200ish. The board is so busy that I think if your opponent had 2 pair or a set on the turn you would have likely heard about it by the time the action is checked to you on the river. A smallish bet could get your opponent to call with hands like QT and T8s that would fold to a larger bet, and may induce a raise from a busted draw.

If you are check/raised, call. The chance your opponent got passive with a strong hand that rivered you is less than the chance he is either bluffing or called you down with a 9 and is now raising because he made trips.

Just my opinion...

EDIT: After rereading the OP somehow I missed that JT got there on the turn :P ... I still like the turn bet, but now like checking back on the river... My inability to read the board has changed my mind about playing poker tonight :p

A couple of issues with raising are
JT
A lot of his range can make great check raise bluffs as they have some showdown value but now are obviously losing now, and block boats and top straight. Eg J9s J8s 9Ts etc. so if he is a tricky player betting can be dangerous

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Meh.

PRE - I guess seeing a flop with T7s on the BTN can't be terrible, but I'd like it better as a raise or fold, especially this deep, with the action in front of us (limp-raise-call). Let's iso to get heads up with someone.

FLOP - Action checks to us, and we're not the PFR, but we flopped the nuts, with a backdoor-re-draw? Gotta bet something. Not sure of the size. Probably 2/3 pot. Half seems a little neither here nor there to me. It doesn't fold out much that would call a smaller bet but fold to a bigger bet, doesn't get raised much if ever, and doesn't do as much to define our opponents' ranges compared to a bigger bet. So, yeah, I like 2/3 pot better than 1/2 pot.

TURN - Jack-Ten, party of two? Again, I think we have to bet, but I'm not loving it. JT seems to be every idiot's favorite hand to limp-call pre. Bet 2/3 pot again, I guess, but check back river if our turn barrel gets called.

RIVER - other than Ac9c and similar 9x combos, it's hard to see what worse hands call a value bet here. Q9, 99, 66, 88, 98 and 96 are all filled up. JT has us smoked. And we block the 7x and Tx combos of T9 and 97 we'd want our opponent to have. Just check back, I think, at this point.

Hey guys OP here. For reference the 1/3 games in Portland play very deep with deep buy in structure relative to the rest of the country. The action is really good here as well and especially was on this day at my table.

Also for reference: the villain in the hand had just lost to me AIPF about five hands earlier when he had KK and I had AK and I flopped an ace. He quickly rebought for 1k which brought to this hand….

I’m normally all for thin value. It’s a huge leak to not be willing to bet/fold rivers.

However, V called 1/2 pot on flop, and then called 80% on turn when it was still 3 handed. Those are very large bets for multiway pots.

Sure, a sticky 9x is possible, but the $200 turn call discounts just a turn downgraded flop top pair.

Will 9x trips call a small bet of like $200? Probably. But if there is even the slightest chance he can ever turn something into a bluff, we are likely not +ev to bet here.

I just don’t see anything we beat except trips calling us and trips aren’t very likely.

The smallest game I play in is a similar 1/3 that is 1k cap match stack and plays very deep.

IMO, in spots like this where v has such a small range we beat…..it’s just not worth having to face a c/r or c/jam on a board like this.

I’m checking behind and not surprised if he shows us nut straight or full house that was looking to c/jam. And not really upset when he shows us a sticky 9x.

I love when he shows 9x as we can start sizing up on similar boards on early streets on boards like this if we are heads up with V. As if he’s calling large bets multiway, he’s gonna call bigger bets heads up.

To clarify, I’d bet/fold most any river that doesn’t pair board or make a 1 liner that counterfeits our straight.

Oh, and T7s is garbage. Play it out of BB or Straddle only. Or BTN if folded around.

River is a clear jam. If he had a set/boat or JT he would have raised flop/turn or donked river

Bad players very very very rarely check 3 times. This is true especially for river spots. He has a ton of T9 and 97 that will call