2/3 AKo in 4-way on 924r flop
I have 90bb. Everyone at table had me covered.
UTG: very loose and sticky pre. I saw limp/call at EP 8bb raise with T8o. He could also call EP raises with K8o, 75o like.
LJ: new to the table.
BB: tightish and straightforward.
In this hand UTG limps. LJ over limps. I raise with AKo to 8bb at CO with a purpose to get heads-up with UTG. BB, UTG and LJ call. 4-way to flop.
Flop: 249r
All check the flop to me. Shall I cbet with AKo here and how much?
What pre ranges do you assign to BB and LJ?
9 Replies
I think checking and betting small (8bb or so) should both be fine in this spot. I don't really like cbetting with air into three players, but you are in position and you should be doing relatively well here.
It's very hard to range LJ and BB without more info. A good player should basically never be limp-calling or cold-calling 8bb at this stack depth. If they are reasonable players, something like low to medium pocket pairs, suited AX, suited connectors, and suited broadway cards is a decent starting point. I wouldn't be surprised if they had trash hands like 75s, A8o, or QTo though.
So I think this is a bet as you can get away with 1/3 pot on this texture and you don't have to take it down that often to make money. Keep in mind you also have a lot of great turns - A,K,Q,J,T can all be barreled profitably imo, unless of course people are stations and don't fold 77 to a triple barrel.
I would cbet since we have two over cards and other over cards like jacks and queens that we can bet on later if we need to. If we had a player after us I would likely check but when we have a positional advantage and many cards that can help us I'm betting round 30. If we get raised I would just fold, and if called and the turn's a low card I'll just check it back (we still have SD value vs draws that miss anyway like 53s).
At tables this sticky, especially playing this shallow, you wanna just make massive preflop bets, you make it $20 pre.
As played i think a tiny flop bet like 1/4 pot is good. Folds out some of the junk, then you hope it checks thru on the turn, and you might have a decision on a river hero call or bluff.
PRE - raising to 8bb ($25?) seems about right.
I could see going larger, to $30, because why not? We're IP, with sticky limpers, and we don't mind not seeing a flop, if it means not paying rake. Let's see who likes their hand enough to limp-call from OOP.
FLOP - I think I prefer to check this ragged rainbow flop.
If we c-bet and get x/r'd, we'll have to fold. If someone has a plan to x/r, we can spoil it by just checking back, and taking a free card. We might spike an A or K on the turn, or pick up the back door straight draw on a 5 or 3.
Over-limp ranges kind of depend on the players. If he's somewhat reasonable, BB could have small to middling pairs, some suited connectors, some broadway combos, and some AX in his range. LJ's limp-calling range is probably pretty similar.
I wouldn't expect anyone to show up here with 99, but 44 and 22 are definitely in our opponents' ranges, as are 54s, 53s, 43s, A4, A5, A2 and occasionally, 42.
If someone has any sort of hand, they'll probably lead out on the turn. If we make TPTK or pick up a straight draw, we can call and evaluate the river, assuming the bet isn't huge. Otherwise, it's just an easy fold.
Not sure I see the point in betting here. We're mostly getting called by better hands, and folding out worse. Yeah, we deny some equity from some unpaired hands that can catch up, but a lot of opponents are going to float with a pretty wide range on a 9-high board, just hoping to spike top pair or pick up some kind of draw of their own.
Check or c-bet flop are both fine, I prefer c-bet. In either case, unless you bink an A or K, you have just one street of value.
BB may be "tightish and straightforward" but if he's calling an 8BB iso raise when his call means it'll likely go 4 ways and he'll be OOP, then this player is bad.
Your 8BB iso size is fine. BB will likely be snug here - if you think he's tight then this is probably something like JJ-88, AQ, AJs, KQs. Maybe some AK or ATs or something.
LJ probably has a typical limpy range so could have anything - any two pretty cards, suited one gappers, offsuit Broadway, all pocket pairs, most suited Kings, that sort of thing.
I wouldn't cbet this much myself - ranges of UTG and LJ are extremely wide so could have hit the flop and they won't fold a pair, and there's a decent chance BB has an overpair. I'd take a free card and look to make money when you hit. Quarter size cbet is probably a reasonable gamble though and means you'll likely see two cards rather than one, so also not a bad idea. But I'd rather cbet a hand where we're trying to fold out the Ace-highs.
I think against 3 players, a small c-bet is torching money this shallow. We are $270 deep and we've created a pot that's already $96. Even a small c-bet on the flop moves us a lot closer to pot-committed. If we were $600 deep against even 2/3 of our opponents than I can see a small c-bet.
Bad players will generally call almost any two cards here out of ego/spite/for whatever reason. Even a raggedy flop like this, somebody has something and a bet is just not going to get a pair to fold very often when bad players "put you on AK" which is problematic when that's exactly what you have.
I check here.
Check for sure, cbet if you don't like money.