oop top set 3bet pot 4 way 1 allin <1 spr

No point getting fancy with SPR<1, just jam. You're going to be all in regardless of any run out, so you might as well get it in now.

And I hope to god you didn't show them your top set.

He had to show, there was a shorty all in pre.

Jam is fine but 75 might be better.

Idk I like $50 more than I like jamming.

its a wierd spot

Make more of an effort with your OP. I'm trying to make educated guesses at the game size (1/3?), whether you're first or second to act, who was the PFR, which player is all in, etc.

But at the end of the day little of this matters, you have three streets to get in a 75% pot bet.

Flush draws aren't everything. Go small and let the guy with ATC call with a King. With the As accounted for there aren't as many flush draws anyhow. If nobody has an Ace, King, gutshot, 44 or flush draw they're going to fold anyway.

I'd probably go 100 but I'm committed if someone calls and the flush card comes ott. I can still fill up otr even if they do have one.

Agreed that the OP is a bit confusing.

So, first thing, if the pot is $260 total, and one guy is all in for $60, then the main pot is $240, and the side pot is $20?

That's so small that it's almost a dry side pot. I wouldn't think we'd want to jam $200 into a side pot of $20. We don't want to fold out PP's that are drawing almost dead, or inside straight draws. It's possible even the NFD might fold to that bet size.

I'd probably just bet small, and pray one or both of our opponents want to play for the rest, and come over the top.

We can probably bet $40, and neither will fold if they think they have any equity at all. If they both call, we can just jam the rest in on the turn, no matter what it is.

I wouldn't be too worried about the draws. Loose rec-fish don't like folding their flush draws on the flop. So betting small on the flop makes more sense than jamming. We want to get more money into the pot on the flop, and jam turn when they'll likely think the pot is too big for them to fold.

Ideally, we want to size our flop bet so that even if the turn is the Ts, bringing in the flush and QJ, we're still getting around 4:1 odds on a jam, when we'll have around a 20% chance to fill up on the river.

So, if we bet $40 on the flop, and they both call, the total pot will be $380 on the turn. If we jam $160 and get called by either opponent, we're risking $160 to win $540, which is a little less than 4:1, but close enough, especially if either V folds a small flush, thinking we have better, or somehow calls with worse, hoping they're best. If both call, we're getting better than 4:1.

Betting $50 on the flop works out to be a little better than 4:1 on the turn, but sometimes low stakes players get weirdly price sensitive when the bet size passes certain thresholds. They might think $40 looks bluffy but think $50 looks too strong. I don't think it's a big mistake to size down a little on the flop, laying them better odds to call.

If you gave more detail on the preflop action then it's easier to see which players are likely to have hands in their range we can extract value from

As for flop betting, reasons why we can bet a little larger:
-a flush draw will/should be willing to call any bet, getting better than 2:1
-sets and two pair are stacking off, but may get jittery if the turn is bad.

But too large is going to price out hands that might call drawing slim to dead:
-a Broadway gutshot should be willing to call up to $40 or so getting 11:1, but even those might fold, fearing some outs are tainted.
- the case Ax and some Kx (w/ backdoor draw esp.) may be willing to see the turn for $50-60ish.

couple early position limped, mp with 100% pfr made it 15 folds to me in bb and i made it 65, first limped called all in 60, the other 2 called as well.

i guess i made a bad play, thanks for replies.

if u need dynamics too...
table been sqeaky tight until second limper and 100% pfr came to the table. they been at the table for couple of orbits and iv 3bet him light and barreled him off but didnt show a winner cause a shortie was all in pre and hit a straight.

I'm assuming this is 1/2 or 1/3, but even if it's 2/5, a few things to note, about pre-flop...

1. The $15 open size is small, when there are 2 limpers in front of the raise. At least in the 1/3 games I play, $15 is generally the standard open size when no one has VPIP'd yet. At 2/5, $15 is a smallish open. Even at 1/2, if the standard open is $10-$12, I'd think his raise would be $20, not $15.

So whenever I see someone raise to the standard open size over 2 limps, instead of sizing up over those limps, I assume they're weak, and I'm going to be squeezing the dead money by 3B'ing at a pretty high frequency.

2. If the $15 open was NOT over 2 limps, and it folded back to us, I'm going to be raising AT LEAST 4X from OOP. If V is loose/aggro, I'm probably making it 5x.

Here, we need to ignore his actual size, and come up with a raise size that makes sense, understanding there are already two limpers in the pot. So, we might think he should have raised to $20 or even $25, and we're going to raise to at least 4x or 5x that amount, and settle on 3B'ing to $80-$100, not $65.

The large raise size might seem counter-productive, because we don't want everyone to fold when we have AA, but we should be 3B'ing in this scenario a lot, and some of our range doesn't mind taking the pot down here and now. There's a reasonable chance V thinks we're FOS when we take this size, and decides to play back at us.

3. I would take note of the players who limped. Do they seem like they're fairly aware and paying attention?

If the MP raiser is VPIP'ing 100%, and always coming in for a raise, there's a reasonable chance one (or both) of the EP limpers is sandbagging a real hand that wants to limp-3B over a raise. Case in point - the first limper jammed over a raise AND our 3B. He's got some sort of hand, and was probably planning to limp-jam even if we didn't 3B.

4. When there are short stacks limping in, and we think there's a chance they might jam, we want to take note of their stack sizes before we raise, and either raise more than enough to put them all-in, so we're creating a side-pot, rather than having a dry side-pot, or we want to raise to a size that is low enough for their jam to re-open the betting.

So, here, if the shortest stack is $60, we can 3B to $30 or $35. If the short stack is remotely aware, he won't flat call for half his stack, he'll either fold, or jam.

When he jams, it's more than our raise size (we raised $15 or $20 over MP's $15 open, and the $60 jam is for $25-$30 more), so it re-opens the betting. This puts the first limper and the MP raiser under a lot of pressure. Either might think our min-click is BS, and want to re-raise to shut us out (awesome!), or he might want to just flat call, hoping we'll also flat call. He might not realize we can re-raise.

We'll be jamming when action gets back to us, laying our opponents >2:1 to call off the rest of their stack.

Alternatively, if we raise to $80 or more, when the short stack jams for $60, if the other two players call the $80, there'll be $60 in the side pot, and $240 in the main pot, making the total $300, with something like $185-$190 behind - less than a pot-sized bet. The lower the SPR, the easier it will be to get stacks in post-flop, but it helps when there's something in the side-pot, something to fight over, even if the short-stack wins the main pot.

Don't forget, no matter how much we raise, no matter how short the first limper is when he jams, the MP raiser still has the option to come back over the top of our 3B when action gets to him. If we think he'll get triggered into spaz-jamming if we raise small, we should raise small. If we think he'll want to jam over a large raise, we should raise large.

OK. So 2 limps (perhaps we are 1/2 rather than 1/3), maniac raises, you make it just over 4x (you could go a pinch larger). You then have a limp-cold-call-all-in for (presumably) 30BB, so he has something depending on the wild table dynamic, not that it matters as you have Aces.

The second limper cold-calling the 3bet is interesting especially if you haven't been out of line yourself. If the raiser is genuinely VPIPing 100% then he's got ATC and he's either a postflop whale or he isn't. You're at a dream table with a dream hand, nobody's folding for a small size but you shouldn't be bluffing into a dry side pot, so small still seems the way to go, but in this game it sounds inconceivable that the money isn't going in by the turn whatever you do, and possibly from both players.