Dumb hand OOP w/ S1G

You know the answer. Fold pre. You are playing a shallow stack (given straddle) and are OOP against the only apparently competent V at the table, one you've called nitty (though his small opens aren't nitty, this hand isn't a small open). This call reeks of entitlement tilt in a soft game, where any vaguely playable hand causes FOMO.

AP, whatever. IDK what calls the river overbet, but you can try.

Be sure to add on if villains are fish and the game is match the stack.

Preflop is a fold at these limits/rake structure.

River: it is hard for villain to be strong--yes--but we also have a capped range because sets and 2 pair x/r the flop. We probably go small here.

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We know you want to contribute, but it's OK to simply follow along silently if you're going to give flippant advice while knowing nothing about the OP, his circumstances or the procedure for buying more chips.

He's the only competent player at the table but he often opens to 6 in a 1/3 game? He's just a regfish.

Fold pre is obvious, fold the flop, and bet like 35 otr. He took one stab at it otf then checked, why do you think he would call an overbet when his line seems weak? Are you trying to get him to hero call you with AK?

Pre flop call seems optimistic. Same with flop call.

When middle card from flop pairs on the turn, I like to donk into capped ranges, with both value and bluffs. If V is a good player, and / or if our table image sucks, he's likely to at least call, and see if we follow through on the river. I think this is an okay spot to make the play.

As played, I think the betting the river is fine. Not sure what size is right. The slight over-bet seems ok, to target all his over-pairs and top 2. I might even go a little larger

Agreed that if the table is soft, I want more money on it.

why would he check an over pair and top two ott?

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Because the 7 on the turn is better for our range than his. We're going to have way more 7x than he is, which is why I like to donk turn here. Imagine barreling with AA here and getting check-raised.

Checking back turn with showdown value as the PFR to bluff catch river is a very profitable line. When he checks back, OOP is incentivized to bluff a lot of rivers.

Meh. Fold pre, obviously. Flop is whatever -- it was cheap. Bet turn small? Why not? Now get value -- does not seem the type to call an overbet unless you have been a maniac.

Sorry, forgot to add - top 2 on the river (QJ) was just TP3K on the turn, which is a hand that doesn't necessarily want to barrel, but will definitely call a river bet.

I don't see checking back an over-pair on the turn as a controversial play on this board, in this configuration, with the PFR on the BTN and hero in the BB, calling pre, and then calling next to act on the flop. It actually seems pretty standard.

Maybe BTN would or should barrel with QQ, to protect against hero somehow getting to the river with Ax or Kx and spiking top pair, but otherwise, AA and KK don't benefit much from barreling.

Hero should have at least TP, MP, BP + a BD draw, or at least an OESD when he continues on the flop. There's no flush draw to worry about, so checking back turn with 1P, even an over-pair, for pot control and deception makes sense. This board is going to favor BB's pre-flop calling range more than BTN's raising range.

When the board pairs on the turn, and there's an over-card on the river, this seems like a spot where the BB defender will be going for thin value, or stabbing with all his bricked draws, trying to fold out hands like AK and Jx.

AK isn't hero-calling, no matter what size hero bets. But I don't see AA, KK, or Qx folding much here, even when hero bets just over pot. I think even Jx and 88-TT find hero calls often enough to make this a profitable play.

I think a smaller bet would likely be more GTO, but I don't mind hero going big to exploit here, especially if his table image sucks. And (sorry Banana) I think it's at least possible that it does in this hand, given he's short-stacked and playing this hand OOP against the only other decent player at the table.

Definite fold preflop. Flop call is somewhat defensible but with these other opponents in there should probably also be a fold - you've got some very modest backdoor equity and a weak middle pair.

I don't mind a large river bet but is this guy tight enough to make big folds? He can easily have rivered a pair here in addition to the overpairs. Large good, maybe overbet is just going to tip him over the edge to fold some hands that might well call something a bit less ambitious

Fold pre-flop.
Fold flop.
Turn check ok.
Bet smaller on river.

Folding flop for less than 20% pot would be absurd. We have a pair and Bdsfd.

I think we can donk turn in a spot that btn is going to check back, but checking turn is ok.

River just 2/3 so he can hero with ace high.

Result:

Nice! You must have some image 😉

Well played hand.

Fair enough; I'd have expected this sizing to be a painful call for AJ and to let weaker Jacks get away with it. Sounds like you would have potentially got crying calls from any Jack...in which case, nice bet

I think the big river bet works because hero check-called flop and the turn checked through, on a board that's got a lot of draws, but also favors hero's range as the PF caller more than V's as the PFR.

Hard for hero to show up with better than top 2, the way this was played. Hero's going to have a lot of busted straight draws, or QJ, and not much else in his range, when he flats pre and on flop, then checks again on the board-pairing turn. Hero really shouldn't have trip 7's or better here, unless he's slow-playing his flopped sets and 2P.

When V raises pre, c-bets flop, and then checks back turn, he's probably planning to call if hero bets on most rivers, if he has any sort of hand. If hero is mostly showing up with QJ or a busted draw, then AJ is as good as any Jx or Qx, as far as bluff catchers go, and AA/KK are easy calls, if not raises for value.

Very meh preflop call as first caller, OOP, horrible relative position, against a guy with a clue and where even others could have us in RIO trouble.

I mean, I guess for this price we can't fold flop yet.

I probably donk turn. Our IO plummet OOP due to this (which is a big reason why preflop is poor, imo).

I have no clue what the river sizing is about. Is a nitty player calling a huge overbet with A high // TT with two overs on board? Are we just hoping he has Qx? I would bet like 1/3rd just hoping to get paid (especially if he's never going to attempt to rep river and bluff).

ETA: I mean, I wouldn't have read him for AJ (noting I check back TP on a street all the time so I get when other people sometimes do it, although typically not after a ~1/4 PSB cbet), but I think overall we got a little lucky running into top-of-range-that-is-worse.

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I agree that flatting pre is optimistic, and that calling flop is...okayyy. I also agree about donking the turn. In fact, if we donked turn, I'd go smaller with the river bet.

When we flat pre, and flat flop, and the turn goes check-check, I think going big when we lead the river is correct. Most opponents are going to have a hard time putting us on a thick value combo when we've played the hand this way. So we're going to get more loose calls from over-pairs, Jx, and some 88-TT. We might occasionally even get looked up by AK.

That's why I said we can maybe even go a little larger. Our line looks bluffy as hell, and V is going to be bluff-catching a lot when he checks back turn.

Checking the turn is fine. We shouldn't forget about stack sizes. The more shallow we are, the better leading the turn becomes. With around $150-$200 left, leading the turn would be okay. But Hero is still quite deep.

On the river, the sizing should be big. You have a lot of 7x in your range, so betting big or even overbetting is standard here. Going small is an exploit line, not overbetting.

Preflop is very bad.

Flop is fine, like wtf?

7 is a good turn card to form a donking range on, and having some 7x in that range would obviously be good.

You’ve got the right idea on the river, but I prefer to have a robust x/r range and have our river leads be for a smaller size with thinner value/blocking bet hands. A big fat x/r puts maximum pressure on Qx with our value hands, while also allowing us to turn more hands into bluffs.

Good rule of thumb is that OOP flatting a street doesn’t cap their range nearly as much as IP checking back a street.

And then obviously there’s the turn pairing the middle card…

I would fold preflop and call flop. I would lead the turn and bet a little smaller on the river as played.

I think you have to bet the turn. He will check back a lot of value and not bluff much. You want to build the pot without having to overbet.

I would go less than pot on the river. Betting small on the river seems just bad, even without seeing results. You have to try for value.