T8dd 1/3 with $6 straddle river bluff raise

No other replies? Guess i was wrong in thinking it was a good bluff. Figured i have all 55, A5s, 45s, 65s,some 75s. Is it just button clicking?

Even against the tiny 3bet I'd rather have a bit more than a suited one gapper - given the range you assign to him you'll never win with a pair. Suited connector for ma at the very least...if you don't fold this are you folding anything at all?

Postflop I can get on board with although turn might be marginal. Opponent never has a 5; you can sometimes have a 5 (although given action you probably don't have a set and certainly don't have two pair); you have zero showdown value. If he tank calls with a straight on a flushing board, it's not much info to go on but it sounds like he may be capable of laying down a medium strength hand here (and whatever he has is likely a bluffcatcher). The presence of two flush draws isn't ideal though. If you do pull the trigger I'd rather go a bit bigger, don't let him shrug call cos odds

HH kinda shows him as straightforwardish / faceup? If so, I don't mind a preflop raise, although I think an open limp to play in position postflop is also fine. This deep and facing a ~minraise I guess I can get behind the preflop call in position (but certainly hate getting myself into this spot).

I'm cool with checking back the flop. In general, the chances of taking down the pot on a flop bet alone when the preflop 3better checks to us is pretty slim, plus we have nothing going for us.

ETA: Didn't realize we picked up a flush draw on the turn; ok.

I dislike the river bluff. The main flush draws missed / why should we have a 5 in our range / his flop check is often a tarping monster.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm folding preflop but here we are.

We rep very thin on river and offer V almost 3-1 to call. FDs have bricked and I cannot see what V would fold here at this price.

We could maybe rep 65s on turn but river 6x blocks part of the range we wanted to rep. We raise half of our A5s wheels on turn because of the two FDs on board. Cannot endorse the river bluff here.

I don't really like bluffing people I don't know, but that's just me.

I prefer bluffing if their lines look weak and there's straight or flush completing cards but he's already shown strength by 3betting his straddle

so it looks more like a guess, hoping he's at the bottom of his range and would fold. I don't think people fold too much on river bluffs though as they do ott because they know it's the final bet in the hand and it's only 120 more into over 400.

Big +1 to this. Our opponent doesn't know if we're a super nit or not and we don't know if he's a calling station.

Geasiertogetbehindwithwellknownimagesinplay,imoG

Do you and Playbig fight over the last cup of free, black coffee on the server's tray? :p

I only satisfy two of the three OMC requirements. (that may have not come our right / that's what he said)

Ghasneverhadacupofcoffeeinmylife,weird?G

I like the bluff. You have some suited 5x that can’t fold for the price he laid you pre and that’s a draw you would always call with on turn. He’s pretty capped at 1 pair and if we make it a bit more, maybe 240, he’s going to have a tough time calling. We’re even turning his potential top set into a bluff catcher. I’d go for it, and if he calls at least he’s someone we’re going to play with in the future.

Having a bluffing range here is good, especially given the other hand where he tanked to a single bet with a straight. Not so keen on the execution.

Between the small 3!, how little money has gone in postflop, and the two flush draws busting, ranges are pretty wide and have a lot of air. If we're doing it with this hand (no blockers against made hands, and blockers against FDs), then we're probably playing in a way that's going to make opponents curious, which will make us lose money if we're overbluffing in 9-handed poker. You've already shown them one bluff, it's gonna get exponentially harder to get him to put you on a straight that's barely in your range.

I also think the size makes it very easy for him to sigh call just because he has to see it. I tend to make my river raises pot-sized+ (so $360 here) in general with us closing the action of the hand. No real reason in not going maximally polar.

That last paragraph is especially good advice for all you TINOs out there who have never value raised the river with a single pair in your life...

i appreciate the replies - be snapped with KK and i was bewildered that he didn’t even consider anything. i do believe my raise is too small here. i’ll have to go for more value vs him in the future i guess. what’s a TINO?

In general, I don't attempt to get players to fold big overpairs+ (which he has repped with his line) when the main draws bust (even with my super nitty image).

From the opposite viewpoint, when a flush draw busts and a four-to-a-straight runs out, I almost always induce to my opponent when OOP with the plan of snapping it off.

GcluelessreppingnoobG

lol i thought he was terrible player but clearly he’s next level cause he went for the bet call and made even more money. i just suck.

Why TAgg in Name Only, of course!

I read that twice. I can't even tell what your hand is. His raise pre-flop seems like something that wants to be called. I'd put him on a larger pocket pair.

I have read the results so I am obviously biased, however ...

Preflop seems standard.

I'd expect V to almost range c-bet this flop; when he doesn't, I am probably tempetd to take a stab at the pot (don't know if this is right or not).

As played, if you plan to bluff, you may want to start raising turn, and bomb a reasonably safe river.

By raising the river out of nowhere, you do not represent much imo, basically 55 and a couple of 5Xs. Would you slow-play a set or a turned straight / combo-draw?

Reading your description I dislike it because of history with V. You mention him catching you bluffing multiple times but do not mention you ever successfully bluffing him. Tends to mean he calls too often, believes you bluff too often, or believes he has a reliable tell. All three are bad news if you are trying to bluff him.

This hand plays pretty well against a strong range, and I don't see how you can fold to the tiny 3! with position and him not representing a big pair straddle versus button. The small 3! sizing seems just bad with any hand OOP.

The river bluff has the problem that ir It was an extremely draw heavy board on the turn with 2 2-flushes and 3 wheel cards; plus Q9 gives straight draws to KJ/KT/JT/J8/T8, which are mostly reasonable button raise hands. You could have an ace with a nut flush draw and a gutshot, etc. The only thing which hit is the 5, and A5s and 65s were straights on the turn, which you would always raise with all the flush draws out there. So you are only representing like 75s/55 for value, when you have a ton of possible busted combo draws, which is what you had.

Any strong made hand raises the turn with all the draws out. So you are literally only representing 85s/75s/54s/53s/55 versus a ton of missed draws you could be bluffing. Obviously, you aren't necessarily playing those low suited connectors/gappers.

Haven’t read to see if any results yet. But…..

You’re repping very little here.

Sets likely don’t check back flop. And if they do, not raising turn would not be great either.

So, you’re just repping 55, A5s, 65s and very little else. AQ doesn’t raise river.

So, V only needs to rationalize that you can have some bluffs here and it’s fairly easy call for any pair.

Start planning your bluffs earlier in the hand. Play the turn like you have the hand you’d be repping on river.

After checking flop and betting small on then, it’s highly unlikely V is going to bomb river with a bluff. If anything, another smaller bet.

So, when we have sets here, we want to mostly raise. We won’t make much more on his bluffs after a check and small turn bet. So we get much more value when he’s slow playing an overpair.

When you check back flop, call small bet on turn, then raise river….on this board, it looks exactly like what it is…..a bluff as an after thought because the more ran out to a 1 liner.

Posting to add.

This hand illustrates one of two things:

- You playing your bluff differently than you would your monster hands

or

- You’re playing your monster hands too passively.

Meaning, you monster hands should raise turn. Hence so should your bluffs.

Yeah, if you are going to bluff, you need to semibluff raise the turn. However, he can have a lot of draws and knows you can have draws, so that is not great either on the dripping wet board.

Pre is fine.

Flop check back is good.

Turn call is debatable. We're calling off a $40 bet into a $94 pot from the pre-flop 3B'er, in order to hit a T-high flush. If we're contemplating making a play on the river if we miss our draw, I'd think we'd want to raise turn, when we could credibly rep some 2P+ combos, sets, straights, and draws.

The river raise needs to be a bit bigger if we want it to fold out TP or over-pairs. But this is one of those spots we're likely to look back on, and say it was just completely unnecessary. Like, we had a so-so draw, and missed. We don't need to make a big, fancy play here, to try to fold out a strong hand by repping a super-narrow range for value.

If we wanted to fold out a hand like AXhh, Kx, or better Jx, we could literally just min-click it here. Rather than targeting the top of his range to fold, we could target the bottom of his range. I think that's probably a more profitable play long-term.