2/5/10 - 3bp turn sizing with KK overpair

2/5/10 - 3bp turn sizing with KK overpair

Villain is a loose aggro whale sitting to hero's right. He is a regular at the 5/10/20 game as well and not afraid to put money in.

Hero has been aggressive and been called out by another player for squeezing too much, which I honestly don't think it was anything out of line maybe just a stretch of good hands and too much limping at the table that led to his comment.

OTTH:
$1200 effective

The game is 2/5 playing with a $10 rock which makes it 2/5/10. The rock is utg, utg+1 calls 10, villain raises to $65, hero with red KK 3bets to $165, folds around and villain calls.

Pot is $340
Flop: T58r
V checks
H bets $125, v calls

Pot $590
Turn: 6c bringing in bdfd potential

V checks
Hero ??

At this point I want to target Tx hands, not really worried about possible straights. SPR is about 1.35 with villain having around $900 left behind.

I wanted to get thoughts on bet sizing here vs this specific villain and how that changes against a more competent villain if at all.

Happy to post results later but I think this turn bet sizing was the key decision point in the hand.

Cheers

22 September 2024 at 04:11 PM
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3b pre is a little small, I would go at least 3x.

Go about $300 on the turn and jam river. You are going about half pot on turn and half pot jam on river. Generally if you can go the same % of pot on turn and river gey all of the money in on the river, that is generally going to be a good size to use. Whether that's pot turn, pot river, 150% turn 150% river, 67% turn 67% river, or here where it is 50% turn, 50% river.

Alternatively you can just jam the turn, holding no clubs in your hand. Esp if hands like AcTc, KcTc, etc are possible (if the T on board is Tc).


It’s a donk spot for OOP so it will be mixed. I’d prefer a check as a default as it’s unlikely Tx will call 3 streets and JJ might even fold as well.

Geometric sizing is not always the correct way to think about bet sizing because it makes the priority of the bet to get all in by the river when your priority should be the hand class you want to target.

Edit: Didn’t see that he a whale so disregard my advice as it only applies to regs. I’d jam turn as he won’t fold Tx and might have picked up equity OTT. Also bet bigger OTF and go way bigger preflop as fish have low fold to 3bet %s.


I'm 3 betting to 200 pre.
Flop sizing is fine.
Definitely betting turn. Probably half pot here


I was going to bet between $300-400 but against this villain I thought if he'd call $300 he'd call a larger sizing so I went with $500 thinking it looks more polarized with the flush draw coming in.

Villain jams and we call off the remaining $400ish.

River is another T and villain angrily shouts and slams down his counterfeited two pair with 56hh.

I definitely got lucky on the river but I don't think I'm ever folding regardless of my turn bet size


I probably go a little smaller on the turn to keep in all the Tx, 250 or so, I agree that Tx (and JJ etc) are the main hands you're going after although backdoor flush draws are a bonus. Also going 200ish preflop, torn between large and small sizing on flop.

Nice reveal!


If V truly is a whale, I think we can just over-bet jam turn, especially if our table image has been inflated to hyper-aggro. On such a dynamic board, we could have lots of draws. If he's used to higher stakes, he's probably seen a lot of turn jams with high equity draws, and won't be too hesitant to call it off.

Alternatively, we could bet around $300, setting up a 1/2 pot river jam, but that risks a scary run-out that lets him get away from his hand. If he's just got Tx, any over-card on the river may cause him to shut down, unless he makes 2P.

ETA - just read the reveal. As I was typing the above, I was doubting that he's calling flop with bottom pair and checking turn with 2P+, on such a wet board. I'd expect him to donk big for value and protection. Would not expect most opponents to call flop with bottom pair, but that's what whales do. All but impossible to get away from our hand on the turn, as played. Just a lucky run-out, yes, but that's the problem whales have, when they play too many marginal hands, and get too trappy with them.

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