5-10-20 AK , input on all streets welcome

5-10-20 AK , input on all streets welcome

5-10-20 8 handed

Folds to sb reg 2.5k raises to 65

BB 1.7k calls / loose passive fish / usually plays 2-5 /

Im in straddle 2.5k 3bet to 250 AsKc

Sb folds, bb snap calls which is a bit unusual, for this sizing he would’ve tanked a bit before calling with most of his holdings

Flop KdJc9c (565)
Bb checks, i bet 175, bb calls

Turn KdJc9c 2d (915)

Bb checks, i bet 400? Bb tank jams for 1.3k, hero??

24 September 2024 at 07:56 AM
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Preflop and flop seem about standard to me, as well a the turn bet (perhaps you might want to go a bit bigger ott).

Once bb check/shoves, it becomes a tough spot.
I am pretty sure this is a call in theory: you started the hand with 85bb effective and have TPTK in a 3bet pot, on a very drawy board.
On the other hand, if V is really a loose passive fish who usually plays lower, this may well be a spot where the "Baluga theorem" applies.

If you trust your reads, you can probably find an exploitative fold.


This feels like it's going to be nines a lot, jacks sometimes, and blocking the king of clubs is pretty gross. This is probably AJdd, ATdd, ATcc, AQcc sometimes. Maybe KQdd too and sometimes KJs. Absent more of a read SB reg range can be very wide here so there's not much removal consideration. Vs a loose passive fish x/r turn is probably extremely underbluffed and mostly these combo draw combos so I think we can lay it down.

Let's say he raises jacks half the time, flats twice half the time being loose-passive. So that's 9 combos of sets that have us dead, 5 combos of combo draws that have a lot of equity still, and given our read we aren't really expecting a shove with air or T8s or something like that. Maybe we credit one combo of KJs because villain just doesn't want to fold this hand. It gets closer if you think he always raises jacks vs this open though.

I think we probably don't have enough equity vs villains range to call off a pot sized x/shove here but if you did and got shown nines I don't really hate it either. We're playing this hand to stack a fish with TPTK we got it on a wet board and now here is the opportunity to get all the money in the middle. If this was AsKs or AhKh I'd say call and AsKc fold.

Preflop/flop is whatever, you raised enough to iso the fish then built a pot.


What was villain's pacing like in the flop? Curious if he snapped or took his time. Taking his time might mean he considered raising. Also I would be in tune to what how he reacted to the flop. Staring at the flop blankly cam be an indicator of weakness while looking away quickly, esp then checking hole cards can be an indicator of strength.

I might use live reads as the tiebreaker here. Mainly I don't think the population of villain's as described does this with KQ, but I wouldn't discount it entirely. There is also a slim chance he is semi bluffing with a combo draw or pair + fd + SD. Mainly I doubt he is value owning himself because you described him as loose passive. There is also a very slim chance he could have AK here. But even loose passive players can decide to go with KQ here. Need 25.6% equity here. I think vs some villains we are never good, but vs population of villains I think we are close to 0 EV here. With a strong live read I think I fold. Without good reads I lean ever so slightly towards sad calling and expecting to mainly lose, but win a small amount of the time and have enough equity vs 2p to have just a little over equity to call. I don't think calling or folding is a huge mistake based on the info you provided.

I think flop and turn are fine. I wouldn't mind checking turn to mainly call river on most runouts and bet sizes or go for value ourselves when checked to. It's not just about pot control. Bet, check, bet tend to be a good line for value. But the board is so dynamic and plenty of draws or pair + draws can call us on turn, but will fold river.


I agree with all the analysis above. I would quibble a little with PugDolk because I think we have significantly compressed V's range preflop to KQs+.

Fishy BB has taken two to the face and basically seems happy to play this hand 3-way in the middle at a significant positional disadvantage. So I think his range has been compressed significantly unless he's totally clueless. He has a hand.

This plus the Baluga Theorem and our Kc says "fold" to me. Obviously anything is possible......I agree with Mlark about checking the turn, especially given the fact that I think V is higher up in his range given preflop situation.


by Mlark k

What was villain's pacing like in the flop? Curious if he snapped or took his time. Taking his time might mean he considered raising. Also I would be in tune to what how he reacted to the flop. Staring at the flop blankly cam be an indicator of weakness while looking away quickly, esp then checking hole cards can be an indicator of strength.

I might use live reads as the tiebreaker here. Mainly I don't think the population of villain's as described does this with KQ, but I wouldn't discount

Flop was maybe 10-15 seconds before he called.
Turn was around 45 seconds before he shipped , i was seat 1 and he was seat 9 so i only had timing tells since i couldn’t really see him unless i go over the dealer.

I was def thinking about checking turn and i think its the right play. I just thought he has a lot more draws that would call turn and fold river and he is passive so he prolly won’t bluff rivers.

My perception of time could be distorted obviously but flop was def a lot faster as if he didnt have a big decision.


yeah I'd also check back the turn. As for the BWT, I think it's compounded even more when we're in a 3bet pot. I would just fold as played (long tanks followed by jams are also usually strong hands anyway). Looks like JJ or even slow played cowboys vs a guy who's playing higher than usual.


I don't mind betting the turn especially against this villain that will call with worse hands/draws, and play somewhat straight forward. Looking at the turn factually - we know the villain is a passive fish and is also playing higher stakes which leads me to believe he won't get too out of line. I think it's fair to say KQ will not jam the turn - tank call/tank fold seems more in line. I would also think clubs with a pair or some kind of draw just calls or folds - you're completely uncapped and betting this turn so he can't really jam on you and your reads are he's far from aggro. With all things said I'd just fold - seems clear with your reads.


We have all the sets, 4 straights, AA KJs maybe KJo. So 21 to 28 better hands I think.
We need to call like two thirds of the time here. Probably we can fold especially with the club.

Agree check turn

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by Joe-exotic69 k

Flop was maybe 10-15 seconds before he called.
Turn was around 45 seconds before he shipped , i was seat 1 and he was seat 9 so i only had timing tells since i couldn’t really see him unless i go over the dealer.

I was def thinking about checking turn and i think its the right play. I just thought he has a lot more draws that would call turn and fold river and he is passive so he prolly won’t bluff rivers.

My perception of time could be distorted obviously but flop was def a lot faster as if he di

How quick did he check the flop and turn? Fish sometimes donk or consider donking even though a spot is generally a pure check.

It is still really close, but I think I lean slightly towards fold. I still think it's not out of the question he can have AK or even KQ, but I would discount it a fair bit. I think on the flop he would have a fairly trivial call with KQ with top pair and a gutter. The turn check jam for a fairly substantial dollar amount from a passive 2/5 player really looks nutted. But to okay devil's advocate, it really could just be him deciding to go with KQ. Sometimes when people are playing larger stakes than normal, they overcompensate in weird ways to not, "play scared."

by Bill Hickok k

We have all the sets, 4 straights, AA KJs maybe KJo. So 21 to 28 better hands I think.
We need to call like two thirds of the time here. Probably we can fold especially with the club.

Agree check turn

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We don't have to call any hand if villain isn't value betting worse and isn't bluffing if we don't have enough equity vs his actual range. It's so unlikely the fish is exploiting us. We exploit him by overfolding.


by Mlark k

How quick did he check the flop and turn? Fish sometimes donk or consider donking even though a spot is generally a pure check.

It is still really close, but I think I lean slightly towards fold. I still think it's not out of the question he can have AK or even KQ, but I would discount it a fair bit. I think on the flop he would have a fairly trivial call with KQ with top pair and a gutter. The turn check jam for a fairly substantial dollar amount from a passive 2/5 player really looks nutte

He checked flop and turn pretty quickly


Well that is a small point in favor of calling but I think I still lean towards fold.


Given the size game you're palying, why aren't you paying someone to give you advice instated of asking for free advice from randos?

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