1/3 Deep, Double barrel AK vs playerI've been warring with?

I dont mind just flatting pre here 240bbs deep.

As for the hand, pretty standard check/fold turn unless he bets <15% pot or something.

Flop cbet is ok, i’d expect to get called alot, but we do have decent runout potential.

I open limp but a lol 3x raise this deep is about equivalent to that. I'd actually be a little wary of 4betting this guy, no?

Not sure I cbet against this guy. He doesn't seem the type to fold JJ/TT to one bet, are we aiming for a couple of barrels (and possibly just running into it on this Q high board?).

I give up on the turn as so much has gotten there.

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Flat.

As played I'm fine with c-bet.

Turn: Why would we bet? At this it's a bluff and you said he's very sticky. He probably calls a turn bet with his whole range, including AK, 99, TT, etc. Seems like an easy check, and hope he checks behind.

I don't see anything in the HH's that really helps us in the hand, but he's a loose passive who's been playing even tighter pre as of late, does that sound about right?

I would have to think since he's 3betting an UTG open from MP, plus his read, that he's got a pretty strong hand (AK would be the very bottom of his range) and would at least be calling the 3bet. However you're deep enough to flat for 30 (even though I always say "never flat a 3bet OOP" but there's never a never in poker). I think it's too valuable to fold pre but I would fold AQ. I would c/f the turn as played. If he bets the turn we're pretty much beat.

Forget about this hand. What's your strategy for playing this player type?

call pre
AP
flop ok
x/f turn

Yeah, open size is strange, particularly with this sort of hand. It is good in theory, but you can easily go 15 in most 1/3 games. I would not 4! this sort of hand after opening UTG in 1/3. You have overcards and a gutshot on the turn, but I agree with x/f. You have no club and the board hits a lot of middle cards he could have. Plus he could have 3!/called QQ/JJ.

Think I'd increase the 4B size a little, because we'll be OOP.

Flop bet sizing looks fine. Even though we're supposed to be doing a lot of range betting when we 4B pre, think I might check here, and see what he does.

Tough spot on turn. Maybe we can get him to fold TT and worse PP's if we barrel. But if he's sticky, we're probably just donating by shoveling money in. Think we should keep the bet size small here, like $120, maybe even just $100. Fold if he raises.

Not sure what the plan is for the river. I guess we rep the nut flush on a brick and go polar with the bet size. Hard to give him credit for QQ+/AK or AcQc. He can't have Jx of clubs. We're just praying he doesn't smooth call turn with nut clubs.

If we spike an ace or king, or a T, I think we might want to just check.

My observation of this V type is that they're loose with their calls, but generally pretty strong when they're driving the betting, and they get greedy when we bet small, so I'd expect to hear from him at some point if we bet small and he has a big hand.

On a personal note, the hand histories you've posted recently seem to indicate you've turned a corner from the spew-tastic stuff you were doing not that long ago. Good to see it, assuming your results are on a better trajectory.

Just read the rest of the thread.

I've commented before about your $10 opens at 1/3. If that's the standard open size at the time in that game, I guess it's fine. But I think it makes sense to open larger in a raked game, and I think we could argue that if we're getting a lot of loose action with our EP opens, we can definitely justify a larger raise size.

The problem with opening to a size that may be small for the game is that it induces opponents to 3B us with a wider range, and forces them to figure out their raise size when we open smaller, which then forces us to adjust accordingly. Like, if we opened to $15, his $40 raise is small. But we opened to $10, so it's 4X, and now we need to interpret what that means, and how we want to respond.

I don't hate flatting the 3B with AKs OOP. It's nice to have some stronger hands in our 3B calling range, and it keeps the SPR manageable going to the flop. It also takes the pressure to c-bet off us and puts it on him.

I think it's fine to 4B, but we shouldn't give him a good price to call. Like, we should 4B to at least 3x, and I don't hate going as big as 4x, or even 5x. 4B'ing to a small size is likely to make him think we're 4B'ing light, induce him to call, and force us to play the rest of the hand OOP with what is ultimately a drawing hand. Let's 4B to a size that pushes him towards viewing his response as jam or fold.

Once we get to the flop the way we do, we're able to rep over-pairs, and the NFD, whereas V can't rep those big pairs, and is less likely to show up with AKs. But my limited experience has been that opponents tend to either get super-sticky or super fit or fold in 4B/5B pots. We can often get max value with our nutted hands, but we're in danger of costing ourselves max value when we try to rep the nuts vs an opponent who decided he was just going with his hand no matter what, pre-flop.

If we just flatted pre, I could see taking a defensive check-evaluate line post. Once we 4B, I think it's higher EV to c-bet and barrel small. It's a spew to 4B pre and then just give up on flop or turn by check-folding. We can bet small and see how V responds.

This is not something I'm seeing across live 1-3 tables.

Why bother making reads if you are going to ignore them? You define V as "very sticky" which means bluffs are negative ev and value bets are very +ev. When you have an opponent that will misplay the hand and you feel confident you know how they will misplay the hand use that to your advantage.

Get your eyes checked.

So your knowledge of the world is limited to what you can personally experience with your own senses?

Nope. Is yours? You're the one who went out of your way to tell me what you're not seeing at 1/3 games.

Or were you suggesting you can see things happening in 1/3 games you're not actually playing, like a clairvoyant?

I don't know what to tell you. My observation at 1/3 is that small open sizes tend to induce action, either in the form of loose calls, or often enough, in the form of wide 3B's. I don't need to survey every player in every card room to understand why that's a logical result.

Maybe most of the player pool is hesitant to 3B. But enough of the pool isn't. And even the loose-passive fish get a little antsy in the pantsy when there's a small open, and they look down at 77-99, AQ-AT, etc, with 3-4 opponents left to act.

Did you have any advice for OP, or did you just stop in to drop some snark as others were trying to be helpful?

Alright, knock it off you two. ELE.

The issue is market (and even game) dependent. IME, light 3-bets are very rare at 1/3, even given small sizings, except in Texas. I'm sure there are other markets that applies in as well, but though I have played in many, I haven't played in all.

In most markets I've played in, players tend to be pretty passive and cally, and their calling size is somewhat open-size inelastic, as long as the size is withing the local bounds of "normal." They either have a calling hand or they don't, and if they do, they are calling $10 as often as $15. This can be advantageous to either sizing, depending on stack depth, tendencies post, etc.