KTdd in co in straddle pot 1/3/6 750-800 eff

Raise the flop after a bet and call.

In a high rake low skill 1/3 game you can really raise suited Ax and Kx with impunity, since V only 4bet AA/KK. I would make it $130 here preflop and try to get heads up with a weaker passive fish. Even from late position there are few hands I'm trying to go full ring to the flop with since we're here to play poker not bomb pot bingo. Once you 3bet you can easily rep the nuts on A high or K high boards which makes the path to taking down the pot more straightforward.

I’m normally not flatting a lot of hands like this, especially non Axs but a few of the callers were short stacked , so had i 3b to say $120 or something, i was worried about a few “oh well let’s gamble” shoves from the $300ish stacks. But yes i agree a 3b is prob best pre. AQ+ and 99+ i prob would’ve just 3b and called off the shorties.

I agree suited broadway are good hands to 3! with some frequency. Also, agree that suited aces are good hands to flat. In tournaments, they tend to be automatic 3!/fold hands, because of blockers and some playability and you aren't getting flat called much. In live low states pps and Axs are good flat hands, because they play better multiway.

There isn't that much 3-betting at 1/3 and I don't like 3-betting most of the hands you want to play. Better to do it to balance 3-bets with big hands. If people don't 4! QQ/AK, they flat call, and might flat call AA/KK too, so you don't know when you are dominated in a big pot.

Just raise the flop. Huge mistake.

You have two opponents. One of them could have a set or two pair, and you worry about the board pairing as occurred, so I would raise even with the nut flush.

PRE - looks fine.

FLOP - hell, no, don't raise. Your hand doesn't need protection, and it should be easy to get all the money in by the river.

TURN - just call again. Same reasons.

RIVER - just jam. He's not folding anything now. If he's boated up, nice hand, good game.

Regarding pre: 3betting should be based on UTG's range. If he's wider than average, I would squeeze. If not, or unknown, calling is fine. We have options with suited b'ways (unsuited I would mostly raise or fold).

Flop: I call these kinds of spots playing cat and mouse. We on one hand don't wanna fold everyone out, and OTOH we wanna build a pot. Sometimes we shoot ourself in the foot by calling and someone boats up, but that's the risk we take when flatting. It's like we're getting an 85% return on any add'l money that goes into the pot, so it's not a bad investment.

OTR: I don't think people really call lower flushes there too often. When players tank like that ott, they're not only thinking "should I call or fold", sometimes they're thinking "should I call or raise". When he donks out otr, I would assume he was thinking about raising therefore I'd flat the the river, but that's just me of course.

Seriously, what better hands does V have here?

3 combos of AA - that didn't 3B pre? I give him 0 combos of AA.

3 combos JJ - that didn't 3B pre, but want to donk out on the flop, into five opponents? Maybe he flats 1/3 to 50% of the time, and donks flop 50%. We'll be generous and say he has 1 combo of JJ.

2 combos of A2s - that donk out on this flop, into five opponents, and just check-call turn? Maybe he has 1 combo of A2s.

2 combos of J2s - assuming he calls pre with J2s, and donks the flop, both of which seem unlikely, we have to give him every combo of Q3-QTs that might have a lower flush. I don't think he has any J2s here.

2 combos of 52s - Is he really going to donk out on the flop with 52s? Nah.

3 combos of 55 - again, is he really donking out on the flop with 55, no diamond? Nah.

1 combo of 22 - he calls a UTG open, next to act, with 22, and then donks out on the flop, and then turns quads? Really? Fine, we'll give him 1 combo of 22.

We're literally losing to 1 combo of 22, maybe 1 combo of A2s, and maybe 1 combo of JJ.

But he's also got Q9s-Q7s in his range, and probably some worse QXs, and very likely all 9 combos of AJs and AJo that want to donk flop with the 2nd nut flush or top 2P, tank-call turn, and then spaz-bet the river. He might have played all his SC's that flop flushes this way.

His range has at least 11, if not a lot more hands that we beat, and maybe 3 hands that beat ours. Even if we give him every combo of A2, JJ, and J2, it's 8 combos, the pot is around $1050 after he donks, and he's only got $250-$300 left. How do we not put the rest in here?

He can hero-call with worse flushes, and might feel like he's getting too good a price to fold AJ. If he's got a boat or quads, so be it. It's insane to not go for value if V is as bad as described.

Hands that make more sense includes AJ, A2, 22, and even JJ (not everyone 3bets it vs an UTG raiser being next or almost next to act).

He bet 80 into 150 on a monotone flop then tanked for a long time and called the turn. It could either be a hollywood tank after filling up, or he was thinking about raising. When he leads out otr, I don't think he would of been thinking of folding unless it was AxQd which doesn't make sense otf.

You don't think he just jams the river with his boats, instead of leaving himself $250-$300 behind? Like, NEVER, he never just donk jams with boats? And he's ALWAYS slowing down and checking turn with his boats/quads? He's NEVER barreling, after donking flop, getting two callers, and then boating up on the turn?

Even if we give him every combo of A2, 22, JJ, and J2, that's just 8 combos. He still has way more combos of AJ and worse flushes that we beat - 9 combos of AJ alone, plus a bunch of lower flushes. He could play AQo with the Qd this way. There's another 3 combos.

He's described as a bad player. He could be playing all his AxQd, AJ, and worse flushes this way. I can't credit him with donking flop into five opponents with 2P or a set, then just check-calling turn when he fills up, and then betting less than 40% pot on river, with a boat or quads.

This seems like the most trivial jam ever to me.

Not if he doesn't wanna fold people out. His long tank ott is trumping my decision to flat here, making it look like he's thinking about folding then calls and donks out otr... similar to a long hollywood tank then a jam which is hardly ever a bluff.

I don't like the PF coldcall from the CO, especially in a straddle pot. I'd let this one go, rather than risk being whipsawed by a 3! or just getting dominated post-flop.

So many oddball things have to be true for this to just be a boat or quads.

He'd have to:

1. Flat call a UTG open pre, next to act, with 22, A2s, or JJ.

2. Donk flop, into five opponents, on a monotone board, for an absolutely ridonkulous size of > half pot, either with a set, or top and bottom pair.

3. Slow down and check turn after he's filled up, after getting not one but two callers on the flop, then not just flat-call a small 30% pot bet, with less than a PSB left behind, but have the presence of mind to hollywood tank-call, presumably to look weak.

4. After fake-tanking to look weak, he then suddenly decides to donk river, but for less than 40% pot, which is half his remaining stack.

That's a lot of weird stuff for him to do, and way more complicated than him just showing up with AJ, AxQd, or any number of flopped flushes that get lost and don't know what to do after donking out on the flop for >1/2p, and getting two callers.

If we think he ONLY has boats, because he donked flop and tank-called turn, why not fold to his river bet? Like, who cares if we're getting over 3.5 to 1, if we think he's never betting worse for value?

If we think he MIGHT be betting a worse hand for value, and we look at how many better hands he has, versus how many worse hands, how do we just flat, instead of jamming? A jam creates reverse odds of almost 7 to 1 for him.

He only has to be good 12.5% of the time to call. He can never fold worse value getting those odds, and we only need to be right half the time to make this a profitable raise.

Flatting here has to be an enormous leak.

In the moment it was hard to see him calling off a worse flush if i jam. I know he's bad, (which his hand shows how bad) but to call off without the nut flush on a 4 flush ...where its not even a single bet but a raise jam, even if it's for the last 250-300 seemed like a stretch, even in a 1k pot, at that point .
What i mean is i think the chance of him calling a worse flush vs him having a boat...hard to say either way. I didn't go for it, i just called (i think vs this villain folding is out of the question).

He had

So he had a lower flush?

This is my shocked face.

Hysterical that he donked flop with QJo, just middle pair, 3rd kicker, and a draw to the 2nd NF, and people are saying we should raise flop, or putting him on boats or quads.

You played it perfectly until the river, OP. You left a few hundo on the table. No way does he fold after taking this line.

I completely get what you're saying, especially with all the weird actions he took prior, that it doesn't seem like a villain with a boat. But in my head im like, is he gonna actually call off a lower flush here?

Also, low live is weird, where a $300 is still $300 and a large bet, even tho the pot is huge. Not saying jamming isn't correct, its just hard to see any player (even as bad as this) calling it off.

Its kind of funny, he prob unknowingly blocked bet and it worked lol.

In order for a block bet to be viable, he has to be able to get called by worse. Hard to think what worse hands call here.

I dunno. Maybe a T-high flush?